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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Selfish Bitch » 12 Mar 2010 00:40

Maya56 wrote:Dylan, Hendrix, the whole explosion of music that accompanied me on my journey through life. Could ramble on incessently - coincidentally as I write radio is playing Robert Plant and Alison Crowse - lovin it - excuse me, got to go and get that hoover out for a dance!
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 12 Mar 2010 03:09

I was going to say there's no accounting for taste, but that seemed derogatory. But actually, when it comes to art and music, there actually isn't any accounting for taste.

And that's the problem.

Because unlike athletics, or motor racing, or generally any competitive sport, there's no such thing as 'first across the line' when it comes to music. There are measurable quantities, the sort of horrible tedious stuff they measure when you apply for music college, like how many notes you can play per minute, how fast you can sight read, and how accurate your pitching is. I should know - I applied, and failed across the board.

But in the days when I played, I was lucky enough to have many people tell me that I was a fabulous and talented guitarist. And I was unlucky enough to have an equal number of people tell me that, in fact, I was a bit shit. Most of the latter happened to be guitarists and musicians. There has to be a moral to that story somewhere, but I'm buggered if I can work it out. But trying to work out the reality of where I stood between those two extremes nearly drove me insane, so I gave up trying. And gave up playing.

Which brings me on to The Beatles vs. Bob The Builder.

I would love to be able to say that The Beatles provided the soundtrack to my youth. In a way they did, but I only started to connect with them when I was about 14, a good 5 years after they'd split.

I had locked myself in my bedroom, listening to what remained of my stereo after my mum had tried to smash it up with a hammer, presumably because my estranged dad had bought it for me as a birthday present. I was waiting for her to fall drunkenly asleep downstairs, so I could go down and get something to eat without having to dodge a volley of household objects or the usual barrage of verbal abuse. I was listening to Capital Radio, and they were holding their annual 'Help a London Child' appeal, where they would 'auction' a song.

Basically they would announce what the next tune was going to be, but they wouldn't play it until they reached a certain sum of money in pledges from the listeners, for the 'Help a London Child' charity. The next song was to be Hey Jude, and the money target was much higher than had been set for the other songs I'd heard that horrible afternoon. So I thought it must be something special.

And then, they reached the target, and played the song. And as I sat there, waiting for mum to fall asleep downstairs, and listening to my battered stereo, Paul McCartney was telling me to take a sad song and make it better. Except he wasn't. He was talking to Julian Lennon, after John had left Cynthia. But that afternoon, it felt like he was talking to me. And I didn't care in that moment how many f**k notes he could play per minute, or what his pitching was like, or whether he could sight read or not.

When I took up playing the guitar a couple of years later, I learned to play by putting Beatles records on and listening to them again and again, with the retaining arm pulled back on my Dansette, figuratively speaking. Much the same as John and Paul did, with their Little Richards records. And for a short, troubled while, I scraped a living out of doing that.

I think the last Beatles song I learned to play was about 12 years ago. It was 'I Will', by Paul, from the White Album. And I played and sang it to a woman who up to then had been an acquaintance, and, in a vindication of the time-honoured reason why most spotty teenagers learn the guitar, I pulled. She ended up being my partner for over eight years, until she eventually found me out. Like they all do, in the end.

And for that reason among many others, I can forgive Paul for The Frog Chorus.

I'm not sure how my life would have turned out if the 'Help A London Child' auction song that afternoon had been Can We Fix It by Bob The Builder.
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby canadagirl » 12 Mar 2010 04:13

That is a bittersweet and haunting post Alf. I'm glad that the Beatles were there when you needed them in life.

Peter Gabriel has always been that way for me....but I still wouldn't kick Simon Le Bon out of bed for eating crackers.... :D Like you say, guess we all need different things at different times in life and sometimes they stay with us like old friends. Bob's not such a bad guy either....my eldest didn't end up malnourished at 2 and 3 because he allowed me to actually make dinner...we owe a lot to him I suppose. :D
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 13 Mar 2010 04:54

I know I've posted this before, so apologies for retreading old ground. It was some months ago.

Maybe you've never heard it before - which is unlikely - or maybe you, like me, were lucky enough to come across it before it was murdered in a thousand films and tear-jerking charity adverts.

But I found myself listening to it again in the early hours of this morning, desperately in need of an emotional enema. Usually when I listen to this I howl like a dog. It's a good clear-out.

But this time it just couldn't provoke the emotional response. There was some kind of log-jam in my throat and behind my eyes. I wanted to let go, but couldn't.

I must be in serious trouble.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx1lNyggrh4

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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Selfish Bitch » 13 Mar 2010 14:18

Well this makes me cry.....................


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYub1neLZmA

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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 13 Mar 2010 16:10

Nearly ...

The video's good.

I think I was distracted by the guy in the black cowboy hat.
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Selfish Bitch » 13 Mar 2010 17:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofv9goALt3c

Hmm, this guy might be a distraction as well then...............

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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby 64Turtles » 13 Mar 2010 19:39

SB you may have it. I really like the lully bye song. I got 2 dear John letters while in the service but I never had to look it so square in the eye. Much to my happiness they both turned out to be people I wouldn't choose today so thank God for the unanswered prayers.
I am a fan also of the classic music as well Alfie and that was amazing. My neighbor asked sheepish once if she had heard classical music from my place. Yes indeedy.........
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 13 Mar 2010 21:50

Turtles, I'm so glad you liked Bab's Adagio. It's been my constant companion for nearly 18 years, and I'm glad you got it hear it, like me, outside of the format of Hollywood films or charity appeals. It really is an outstanding piece, isn't it?

You might, then, like this, which I've also posted before. It's the same piece but arranged by Barber for a choir, to the words of the Catholic mass 'Agnus Dei'. I'm not a religious man, but there's something about hearing the human voice singing those wonderful harmonies which is so uplifting, and yet so yearning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkObnNQCMtM

Ah, that did it, finally. It cleared some of the blockage. A bit, anyway. Thank God, if there is one.

SB, thank you for reminding me about my brief love affair with Lyle Lovett, in the 80's. I had his album 'Pontiac', which was part of my record collection which I sold to a second hand record shop in order to buy white powder I could stuff up my nose. His appearance doesn't distract me one bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_W18CWypE

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And the one that gripped me and seduced me into liking Lyle, in the face of the politically correct 80's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o3m1FwhusY

Sheer genius to marry Lyle's New Country style to Big Band Swing and piano playing worthy of Oscar Peterson. Talking of which, I tried to find a link to his track 'Black and Blue' too, but it doesn't appear to be on YouTube.

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I'm having a f**k awful day. I would post on SOS, but I can't honestly think of anything that anyone could say which would help. I'm only posting here in one of the windows that occurs while I'm trying to drink myself back to sleep, to get the blessed relief of deep narcosis.

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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Maya56 » 13 Mar 2010 22:08

Alfie wrote:to The Beatles vs. Bob The Builder.

I would love to be able to say that The Beatles provided the soundtrack to my youth. In a way they did, but I only started to connect with them when I was about 14, a good 5 years after they'd split.



Alfie - you write beautifully, and because of that you have again struck a chord (no pun intended) with me. So I will share a long ago memory, and try to find the words to describe what was a life changing moment for me. I was 17. A Scottish innocent in 1970's London. A live in nanny being exploited for a £6 a week live in wage. I met an Irishman - a Dubliner with that beguiling accent. . He was kind, beautiful, and there is no sting to this story. I was an innocent = can't think of any other way to say that! And after many weeks of fliting/courting - I went to his flat, knowing I would stay. I must say here,this was the early 70s in London, and drink was not an issue, though there was a bottle of wine. And some other mind altering substances. Well we talked, and we kissed, and as it got late, he moved the stereo speakers out into the tiny Earls Court garden, and as the dawn broke, I lost my innocence to the Beatles Here Comes the Sun, as dawn broke over that London garden. That was 40 years ago, but every time I here that track I feel 17 again. And for that I will forgive not only the Frog song, but Yellow Susbmarine!

PS. I always wanted to play guitar, and mastered most of the basic chords, and even made a few quid busking in the London undergrounds - a poignant Streets of London always earned me enough for a meal!

PPS- Last year, in an effort to find an interest other than the booze I joined a ukekle class - te first song we learned was George Harrison's 'Something' - see what I mean - the soundtrack of my life continues. I am now part of a udelele orchestra performing charity gigs and I love it.
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 13 Mar 2010 22:26

Oh, Mary. <:)>

That beautiful personal story you've just shared has probably done me more good than if I'd posted on SOS. Thank you.

And it gets spookier. I have a wonderful friend who is a multi-instrumentalist, and has recently become - I'm not kidding - a ukulele evangelist. I hardly pick up the guitar at all these days, so he loaned me one of his beautiful ukuleles to see if that would get me back into playing something. At one point in my life I could stay out of jail on guitar, piano, saxophone, drum kit and latin percussion. Now listening to music makes me feel sick, mostly.

Needless to say the uke's stayed in the cupboard since he loaned it to me. But I might drag it out tomorrow, if I'm feeling better.

Before I tucked it away, I managed to pick out the first few bars of this song, despite the difference in tuning from the guitar, and never having been shown a uke chord.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ltAGuuru7Q

Needless to say, I couldn't play it quite like him. He was a genius.

Yeah, you're right, SB. the Alfster's not in good shape tonight. It'll pass. Most things do, one way or another.

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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 13 Mar 2010 23:00

Alfie wrote:I would love to be able to say that The Beatles provided the soundtrack to my youth. In a way they did, but I only started to connect with them when I was about 14, a good 5 years after they'd split.


I got the maths wrong, there. I would have been about 14, but that would have been about 9 years after they split, about '78/'79.

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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby silvergirl » 13 Mar 2010 23:38

:lol: :lol: :lol:

i'm laughing at you hastening to tell us young strumpets that you're no really *that* ould alfie! i can mind john lennon getting shot, cos my really cool uncle was crying. think i was 5 or 6.

sorry yer having a naff day. nowt i can say really but ye can have a cyber hug... <:)>

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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 13 Mar 2010 23:39

I thought I'd go back to my bedroom In 1979 and revisit this. It nearly worked.

I think the backing track is pre-recorded, but in my ex-professional opinion the vocals are bollock-live. Which makes it even more special.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD3ovfZXO5Q

The internet seems to be a lonely place, again. It feels like it's about 4 o' clock in the morning. Maybe I'll feel better when I've eaten and fed the cat.
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby silvergirl » 14 Mar 2010 01:02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zYOKFjpm9s

i was looking for a version wi a more interesting vidjo, but the second comment on this link made me smile.

this song makes me happy when i feel pants.

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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 14 Mar 2010 01:33

Thanks, SG.

I think it might have made me feel happy in my socks. Which is about the best I could hope for, tonight.
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Mike » 17 Mar 2010 15:41

Mike recommends Highway Rider, double CD album released this week, by Brad Mehldau (American jazz pianist) and his trio with other guest musicians and orchestra. Got mediocre reviews in the Sunday Times, but truly awesome, like all his work. What is wrong with music journalists ?
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 17 Mar 2010 22:25

In my experience it's generally because they're bitter, twisted and jealous. Like the guys behind the counter in music shops who make you feel like you're 2 inches tall when you bound in like a puppy dog, full of enthusiasm and wonder, and ask if you could 'try that guitar out'. And they say. "Only if you've got any intention of buying it".

True story, from the Alfie Archives.

But I don't diss critics in general. You can learn a lot from them, if they're informed and enthusiastic, even when they're damning of the work. I find them especially useful when scanning the Internet to find reviews of plays that I'm about to do which have already been done by other companies. Not so useful when they turn their attention to the actual play I've just done.

I checked out Brad Mehldau on YouFace, on the back of Mike's recommendation, and I like it. And it got my latent Jazz muscles twitching, so I hunted out this link. Don't be put off by the word 'Jazz'. Abdullah Ibrahim is a South African pianist who trained at an American Conservatoire and was an accomplished Classical player. But he worshipped Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, and - in amongst some blistering Jazz works which leave me cold - revisited the folk songs and harmonies of South Africa, and composed tracks inspired by them.

This is one of them, and it's my favourite. In fact, when I was working as a musician people got so sick of me playing it at any given opportunity on piano or sax that they started calling it 'Alfie's Theme Song'.

Forget the fact that you'll find it under the 'Jazz' section in HMV. Take a punt and have a listen.

'Whoza Mtwana' - Rise Up, Children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMcKrMXzjhg
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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Mike » 17 Mar 2010 23:55

Alfie is spot on as usual.

Thanks to my wife's generous Christmas present of two tickets to the Barbican, we are going to see Abdulla Ibrahim live on 30th March. I first listened to his music when he was Dollar Brand, but like Cassius Clay he changed his name. Fortunately his music stayed sublime.

I am a fan of all piano music, both jazz and classical. In fact I love jazz, world, choral and most other classical music. My favorite magazine is 'Word' where new music is reviewed, and the critics are more accurate than most. You get a free sampler CD with every issue.

Alfie is right in saying you should not let music categorised as jazz put you off. Please don't think think I am being condescending if I offer some advice. Try some Miles Davis or John Coltrane. Specifically try listening to Miles Davis 'Kind of Blue' album, or to 'Blue Train' by John Coltrane. That should do it for you. Bargain basement prices in all record shops, and what a bargain.

Please post here with feedback. I don't think I'm wrong.

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Re: Music, movies and tv

Postby Alfie » 18 Mar 2010 00:26

I don't think you're wrong, either. I wouldn't call myself a Jazz fan - In fact I wouldn't call myself a music fan, anymore - but saying 'I don't like Jazz' or 'I don't like Classical' is like saying 'I don't like food'.

Okay, some people don't like food. But I could murder a chicken tikka vindaloo at any time of the day or night, though I can't stomach calamari. But the genres of 'Classical' and 'Jazz' music are so huge and wide ranging, that it's useless and deadening to write it all off because it all comes under one label on the shelf of HMV.

(Climbs off soapbox and realises he should be in bed. Big day tomorrow, for little Alfie.)

Some of the most spiritual and life enhancing tracks I could ever hope to hear came from the section of the record shop labelled 'Jazz'. At the top of the pile is a song called 'Sightless Bird' by Bobby McFerrin, which you'll find tucked firmly away on said dusty shelf, if you can find it at all. I've been searching for it for ages on t'internet with no luck, and I haven't heard it since I sold the album it came from over a decade ago.

But it's almost the perfect song to post on BE. If anyone is interested enough to have a look for it and has better luck than I've had, please let me know.

I hate it when people say to me 'What sort of music are you into?'. I never know what to say. It's my second most uncomfortable question, straight after 'What do you do for a living?'

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