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Re: Just want to share.

Post by Pork » 18 Nov 2018 12:42

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Post by Spats » 18 Nov 2018 22:46

Reminds me of the one we had to dig at the old place. Years later and we couldn’t find wher it came out in the fields at the end of the garden :lol2:

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Post by Cowboy » 21 Nov 2018 23:57

Just want to share ... that I didn't think about drinking today. I think I am starting to feel comfortable in my sobriety. Being on BE is a big help because I don't always post but I do look forward to ending my day saying I didn't have a drink today. It feels good inside. I'm not sure I can really explain it in words. So I guess I am sharing a feeling. A feeling that I presume we all have when we are content in our sobriety. Right now I am content in my sobriety. I am going to do my best to keep it that way. I hope my best is good enough. Just sharing is all.
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Post by Spats » 22 Nov 2018 21:56

Totally agree with you cowboy ;)? I’m feeling the same way too. I don’t think I’ve ever been in this place - all down to the help and support of you guys (::)

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Post by Sammie » 23 Nov 2018 14:01

Cowboy what a fabulous feeling ;)? I'm 4 weeks today and the thoughts are definitely lessening. Thanks for sharing the feeling <:)> <:)>
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Post by Topcat » 02 Dec 2018 09:35

I could have written this article:-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... stmas.html

The same thing happened to me with AF sparkling wine in the summer. It looked and was bottled the same as the real thing and it opened up memories for me that I thought had been buried....they were just lying dormant as I discovered to my immense horror.

From the moment I bought the bottle, I found myself anticipting that first drink (in my special glass), the pouring of it and the music playing.....I was setting the scene for a return to drinking and it frightened the life out of me. It was as if I had been transported back to my full-flow drinking days. I didn't retreat to another room to drink the lot in secret (I was on my own so I didn't need to hide) and I didnt finish the bottle (I didn't like it that much tbh), but the dangers were there - of that I have absolutely no doubt. If it had been a less gassy drink and more palatable, I might well have consumed the lot and then looked for more. Who knows? The thoughts were back and firmly implanted in my head that's for sure.

Since that episode I have stuck to truly AF drinks rather than drinks dressed up to resemble alcohol. They can hide surprising dangers and need to be handled with care. TC xx
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Post by Shadowlad » 02 Dec 2018 10:23

Thanks for sharing that TC, its always good to hear experiences around 0% drinks and this i have completely taken on board. I have flirted with 'pretend' lagers and beers occasionally in the summer though preferred to make them into shandy which was more refreshing. I wouldn't dare go near the alcohol free spirits (never liked wine) as spirits were only drank to get blind drunk. Its really good to highlight this article at Christmastime in particular. Addiction is so insidious, and is largely centred in the mind after all. Its the mind that takes us back and the last thing we need is a fancy, seemingly harmless 0 % gin, wine, beer taking us back to the hell of active addiction. Thanks once again <:)>
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Post by Naughty little newt » 02 Dec 2018 11:22

I don't seem to get that with AF stuff at all or for that matter looking at full fat! On the shelf in the kitchen next to the oils is a bottle of Disaronno and Tia Maria that were presents from work for OH and have been there that long they must be a bio-hazard by now, on the sink is half a dumpy bottle of red that I opened to make a spag bol this week and I don't feel the need to hide them. During the summer I quite like to sit on the balcony with a few Heineken 0.0 after a sweaty day at work and never feel like there is anything amiss or dangerous about it, mind you as the cans are quite similar I have found myself double checking a few times at the supermarket to be on the safe side :lol:


If anything I've started to appreciate the flavour of certain AF drinks which back in the day flavour was absolutely the last priority, it was the numbers next to the % that mattered and the quantity!


At first the drink was the enemy, almost an evil to me but let's face it it was only ever a symptom, right now I don't blame it or fear it nor would I thank you for it and I'm not going to spend one minute worrying about it cos that would just spoil a full sixty seconds of peace in my mind :D

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Post by Topcat » 02 Dec 2018 11:24

Hi Nicky <:)>
Shadowlad wrote:
02 Dec 2018 10:23
Its the mind that takes us back and the last thing we need is a fancy, seemingly harmless 0 % gin, wine, beer taking us back to the hell of active addiction.
It certainly is mind games coming into play. We do tend to think we have it all sussed the longer we are sober and, dare I say it, get a bit complacent at times, but my goodness, how quickly things can very nearly go belly up with the correct settings in place. Scary.

Thinking about it, why do we need a substitute anyway? No point. I prefer orange juice/lemonade or a sparkling water with a dash of lime on a hot day. If it's colder, I never say no to a good strong cup of coffee ;)?
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Post by JohnC » 02 Dec 2018 12:18

Hiya Folks

Hear Hear to the Orange Juice and Lemonade TC, it's my always go to when I'm out if I've had my quota of coffee.
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Post by Pork » 02 Dec 2018 12:35

I drink shloer.
Not sure I’ve come across an af drink that tastes like alcohol.
Maybe them becks blue is closest.
I don’t drink af beer though.
Sparkling grape juice yum.
I need to go on diet though....

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Post by Naughty little newt » 02 Dec 2018 14:39

I drink proper tea out of a pint mug and must go through five of those in a day :roll:

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Post by Naughty little newt » 03 Dec 2018 10:52

Well research is showing that AF beers may be a double edged sword after all, on one hand they could be harmless and even arguably helpful to someone in recovery, on the other hand it could backfire. Taking into account TC's personal experience and my own on the matter plus two different news articles it suggests AF drinks are just like everything else in the world, some get off with it, some don't :?


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/12/a ... searchers/

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Post by SoberBoots » 03 Dec 2018 11:53

Thinking about it, why do we need a substitute anyway?
I'm not sure I need a substitute, but I do find them helpful. In a previous stretch of sobriety I didn't have them at all, currently I do and for me they make things easier. But then I really dislike all soft drinks and fruit juices, so it's hard for me to find an alternative - there's only so much sparkling water I can drink! The main benefit I think is in socialising with others in my own home or those of others - I feel less marked out if I'm drinking wine, albeit non-alcoholic. I'll also have an AF beer in the pub. Also they've helped with some particular triggers times - hot sunny weather being one, when I find an AF beer or cider satifying in a way that a glass of water wouldn't be, and another being sometimes in the winter, like now, when I'm reading by the fire or cooking and want a glass of something rather than tea or water. I have cut right back on them compared to when I started, and I now lean towards the completely AF rather than those with 0.5% on the label. I thought of them in much the same category as chocolate bars - in an ideal world I suppose I wouldn't use anything as a transition aid. They're quite carb-y so not particularly healthy. However in the same ideal world I'd probably eat a more perfect diet and I'd exercise like mad! I totally get that they could trigger cravings for the real deal, and in that case it's obviously a good idea to stay well away from them! But for me they just make my sober life easier. I also socialise with drinkers, go in pubs, go to parties, cook with wine, have open bottles of alcohol in the house for the benefit of others, and I realise that for someone else, or indeed for me at a different time, these things would be impossible.
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Post by Topcat » 03 Dec 2018 13:33

Naughty little newt wrote:
03 Dec 2018 10:52
Well research is showing that AF beers may be a double edged sword after all, on one hand they could be harmless and even arguably helpful to someone in recovery, on the other hand it could backfire. Taking into account TC's personal experience and my own on the matter plus two different news articles it suggests AF drinks are just like everything else in the world, some get off with it, some don't :?


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/12/a ... searchers/
Interesting article Newts ;)?
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Post by SoberBoots » 03 Dec 2018 15:13

Yes, interesting Newt. I'm sure I've told you before about the time I was entertaining and ran out of regular beer so served the AF stuff instead. Not only did they not notice the difference, they all got tipsy :lol:
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Post by Naughty little newt » 03 Dec 2018 18:49

:lol:

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Post by SueDenim » 03 Dec 2018 19:20

I completely agree with Soberboots on this one.

I 'use' them, if that's the right phrase. For me, they were a great help when I first stopped drinking alcohol, as they dealt with the habit side of things. The right glass was important, as was the feeling of opening the bottle.

As time went by, I stopped drinking them so regularly, as they tend to be sugary, and I often didn't think to open one. I still have them now and again, though - mostly at weekends, when I'm away, and when I'm in company. As SB says, they make me feel part of things, and if I feel like a drink in the evening, they mark the transition from day (coffee, tea, apple cider vinegar or smoothies) to evening ('adult' drinks).

I know it's all about marketing. I know they are comparatively expensive. I know they are substitutes for something I can't have. I know that realistically, there is no such thing as an adult drink.

But I like the ritual. I like not feeling that I am being denied what everyone else is having. In company, I identify with the adults in the room, not the children, and want to drink accordingly (marketing or not).

Drinking them has never made me crave a 'real' drink, and I don't see them as the thin end of a wedge. If I ever start to crave wine, I will probably stop drinking the AF stuff; but until then I won't. I don't 'need' them, but I like the fact that they exist.

As Newty says, some like them, some don't.

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Post by na » 04 Dec 2018 07:28

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Post by Topcat » 04 Dec 2018 09:42

I love that Na and agree totally (::)
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