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Post by free flow » 04 Nov 2019 12:53

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Post by SoberBoots » 04 Nov 2019 17:59

free flow wrote:
04 Nov 2019 12:53
It's so loud.....jpg
That's a good image freeflow. I'm dealing with a big bereavement at the moment, and very often have those thoughts.
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Post by TrueState » 04 Nov 2019 21:37

SoberBoots wrote:
04 Nov 2019 17:59
free flow wrote:
04 Nov 2019 12:53
It's so loud.....jpg
That's a good image freeflow. I'm dealing with a big bereavement at the moment, and very often have those thoughts.
I hope you are ok SB and dealing with those thoughts <:)> I have had my own bereavement. One thing I know from past experience although it never goes away it does get quieter. I guess you know that too but still big <:)>

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Post by Bluebottle » 04 Nov 2019 23:48

<:)> <:)> Soberboots and truestate, thinking of
yous. <:)> <:)>
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Post by free flow » 14 Nov 2019 18:02

Just saw this on BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/ideas/videos/addict ... al-matters


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Post by Trojan » 14 Nov 2019 18:31

Free flow, thanks for the link - a very good talk ;)?

Pork, I hope you've got through the day well enough <:)>
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Post by Rachel » 15 Nov 2019 14:27

I am at home today and decided to take myself out to the local pub for some lunch and writing time. I/husband and I have been going to this pub on a reasonably frequent basis for lunch for the last ten years - since we moved to the area.
So, I order my lunch and ask for a lime soda, and the guy says in a good natured way, "Oh, so you're still off the wine, are you?"
"Yes, I replied. It's been seven years."
"Oh, he says, "doesn't time fly." And then muttered something about how he'd been in the job for far longer than he cared to think.
Now I don't think I have ever made a fool of myself in this place. I have probably never had more than two (BIG) glasses of wine in here in one sitting, although sometimes this was on my own. So nothing to be embarassed about even if it had only been a few weeks since I started being 'off the wine'. So I was amused. I would once have been mortified, of course, good reason to be embarrassed or not.
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Post by Rachel » 15 Nov 2019 14:30

I posted the same BBC link yesterday on the General thread.

As I said on there, a lot to agree with, but quite a lot to disagree with too. You can't ignore the physiological elements surely and I doubt that anyone will be made better simply by treating the pain. But maybe that's not what he was saying. Rather treating the pain is necessary, but sufficient for recovery?
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Post by Trojan » 15 Nov 2019 15:05

Rachel, do you mean the physiological presentation of trauma, or the physiological effects of alcohol misuse?

I took his point to be that healing from the suffering that first led a person to alcohol is necessary to long-term stable recovery. I agree though that he skips over much/all of the foundational early stage detox and physical rebuilding.
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Post by Rachel » 15 Nov 2019 20:24

I meant how addiction works physiologically. (Not the after effects.) The biochemistry, which is also very relevant to early recovery.

Psychological factors may be a catalyst (not sure that's the right word, but 'trigger' makes it sound like an instantaneous thing), but they are not all that's going on. There is also the question of why some people have trauma without becoming alcoholic and others don't. I also know people who have a lot of characteristics/personality traits in common with alcoholics, and which to me seem obviously linked to alcoholic behaviour, but yet they don't have drink problems. That may or may not be genetic. I don't think one can say categorically that it's not.

It's a little snippet. One can't expect it to cover and answer everything.

I think that there is a popular conception that alcoholics are people who just love alcohol and don't know when to stop. I have no idea whether this is ever accurate and if it is, what proportion of us it applies to, but it's obviously important to make it clearer that this is porbably more often than not, at least, not the case, and this is what he's going in part?

There is a general movement to be more informed and compassionate towards people with mental health problems or who are psychologically different from most people. But alcoholism is still pretty much at the bottom of the list in terms of this progressiveness, even though I think it has some things in common with other OCD related conditions. (It's no coincidence that a lot of people in rehab with me also had eating disorders, I think). It's deeply embedding in the social consiousness that it's a morally bad thing, something to be condemned, for obvious reasons - it involves a weird combination of choice and compulsion, but people tend to focus on the choice element, having littel genuine comprehension of the fact that the further down the path you go, the harder it is to exercise that choice, that it takes near superhuman-strengthed will power to do so.
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Post by Trojan » 15 Nov 2019 22:24

It’s a pernicious feature of alcohol problems that we pass through a grey area from choice to compulsion without noticing, and certainly without consciously choosing. I suppose this is one of the aspects that other people struggle with - from the outside it looks like the same choice endlessly repeated, when in reality there is a compelling psychoactive effect and growing dependency.

I wonder if the stigma is reinforced in part by advertising that promotes “responsible drinking”. It reframes addiction as a reckless choice, as if the substance itself has no addictive or harmful properties.
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Post by Rachel » 15 Nov 2019 23:35

An interesting thought. I had assumed the 'drink responsibly' was about binging, but not given it much thought. Hard to know how to get the 'don't drink more than x units (not sure what the current recommendation is) a week and don't drink every night because that can leave to organ damage and addiction' message across in a compelling snappy way ;)

Being a little bit irresponsible (but not profligately so) was always part of the appeal of drinking - letting go of constraints - and the more I drank, the more irresponsible or free I felt, including going to get another drink when I really shouldn't. 'Cause that's what alcohol does to the brain?
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Post by Pork » 16 Nov 2019 16:14

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Post by Spats » 16 Nov 2019 22:49

You starting to feel a bit better Pork <:)>

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Post by Cowboy » 18 Nov 2019 13:06

There is a great lady in these parts who was there to help me get through my first year of sobriety ever. And when I stumbled after the first year and was down in the dumps and not posting she made a point of sending me a personal message urging me not to fall into that pit of misery which is daily drinking. She encouraged me to stay in touch with BE and not let the addiction drag me down. So I stayed and while I haven't managed complete abstinence again it is a goal of mine. I know that I am addicted to alcohol. I know that pacing myself will only work for a while and if I don't stop drinking completely I will never be completely free of my addiction. Sobriety is the ultimate goal and that is my life challenge. It always will be.

I said it on the challenge threads but I want to say it here as well. Congratulations fiz.

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Post by fiz » 18 Nov 2019 22:16

Aw Cowboy, that give me a right lump in my throat reading that.
Thank you, first for those very kind words, but mostly, for being there for me, not just this last year, but can you believe it, for about the last 10 year. <:)> You have been with me through ups, but mainly downs, through my battle with cancer in 2009/10, maybe my drinking caused the cancer, we will never know, but even that, didn’t stop me drinking, you have never once given up on me, you are a wonderful man, and a true gentleman, I am honoured to call you my friend.
<:)> <:)>
You will get back on your sober path my friend, you did a year, so you know you can do it again, and I’m looking forward, to see you bounce back, take the bull by the horns and flipping just do it. 💪
Thank you again cowboy, for everything.
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Post by Pork » 21 Nov 2019 21:09

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Re: Just want to share.

Post by pickles » 22 Nov 2019 08:16

Is that something about football ^^^
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