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Eating and Food Issues

Specific emotional or mental health problems, like anxiety, depression, insomnia, confidence etc. Along with bodily health, exercise, nutrition.
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Eating and Food Issues

Post by Bela » 01 Mar 2010 22:42

Here's a new thread requested by Annie who notes that addictions / problems with food and drinking are often interlinked.
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Post by hamster » 02 Mar 2010 19:06

Thank you Bella :)

I have pretty much walked from one addiction to another through life so far. Im currently battling my addiction to alcohol but I still smoke. Hopefully I will deal with the latter addiction before it kills me but for now not drinking is enough.

My addictions started with food though. At the age of 14 I discovered dieting and the attention I was receiving from my impressive weight loss. I could live on three oranges a day. It made me feel in controll, superior even. I loved being skinny. But the hunger was indescribable. sometimes I would give into it and find myself amid a binge, an orgy of eating. This was followed by extreme self loathing and guilt and subsequent enforced fasting which would last for at least four days (my little head used to calculate one day of eating = 4 days no eating and thus weight maintained).

One day I discovered that following eating I could purge myself and so began the change from anorexia to bulimia.

I cant describe what it is like living in this world governed by every mouthfull of food. Guilt, shame, anger etc were daily emotions.

After several years I went into counselling. I was lucky. I was seen by a phsycologist who specialised in eating disorders and child hood trauma and has since published books. My treatment was free (thats where I was v lucky) and, after only a few month, so was I.


So - no anorexia, no bulimia mmmmm where to next. It was actually many years later but I did find another addiction. Didnt go looking for it. It sort of found me open and receptive.

As for now? My eating is still not normal. Im neither anorexic (I wish I could still have that controll - thats how my head works - but its been cured out of me) or bulimic. I think of anorexia as clean and bulimia as dirty (how my head works). I comfort eat. My mood is dependant on how I have eaten during the day and how I have eaten controlls my mood. I eat when bored, unhappy or stressed. Obviously I am overweight.

I love food and I hate it. I dont loose weight when I dont drink. I replace drink with food but when I do drink I eat more because of the munchies. loose loose situation really.

I have learned to live with it - in a fashion.

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Post by Bela » 03 Mar 2010 00:19

Yeah Julie, I hear you.
I am not one the weight has dropped off of either.
I don't exactly binge eat, but I can't imagine eating one small piece out of a chocolate bar . . . how do people do that?? Is it like drinking one glass of wine? Actually right now, the later might be easier (although I won't).
I have been eating more sugar in the last few weeks that in long long time.
I'll say to myself no sugar today and it hardly ever lasts a day. In fact it seems even to me that I am just not making the effort.
if I could only get all parts of my life working together!
Can I really kick my addiction to alcohol and sweets? Is another vice out there ready to pop up?
Why in the world is this such a hard thing?
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Post by hamster » 03 Mar 2010 06:33

Hi Darcy <:)>

Chocolate is not something we should give up but enjoy. I bought a chocolate egg on the way to pick little one up from school and a man behind me said 'you are going to enjoy that arnt you?, savour every mouthful.' I thought about it and enjoyed my egg much more lol. I did savour it and it was a pleasure. Why not. Chocolate is the right of every woman ! lol

Like cutting down drinking, Chocolate should be kept for a certain time of the day. not walking in the street like me but at home or in the office. One treat a day but really really savour and enjoy and dont feel guilt. Chocolate was a gift from God to women ;)

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Post by Bela » 03 Mar 2010 12:46

My problem is the "one treat a day" idea.
It's a great concept, but I have difficulty eating just one piece, unless there is only one piece available.
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Post by Andy » 03 Mar 2010 16:46

Having Given up drinking (well for a week anyway) I'm finding I'm snacking out on crap to make up for the lack of booze, this is going to make loosing weight a problem, over the last couple of years I shed about 4.5 stone but at still over 15 stone could do with dropping a few more pounds, and also giving up smoking (again).

This all sounds like a bit of a tall order, not sure what order to tackle it all in :?
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Post by Alfie » 03 Mar 2010 17:41

Hi PHM

Congratulations on a week. <:)> I hope you're feeling better.

I wouldn't worry about the order. My thoughts - if they're of any use - is to just take things one step at a time, and worry about your weight least. You might find your weight reduces anyway, 'cos you're not shoving all those empty beer calories into your body. I lost weight without trying after detox, and for the first time in years I was eating three square meals a day. When I checked into detox, the doctors told me I was malnourished and borderline anaemic. But I was at least a stone overweight. Fat and starving at the same time - go figure.

I worked out I was taking in nearly 3000 calories a day in the form of cider. Empty, useless calories.

Having given up smoking (and now having started again :roll: ) I would say wait until you're feeling more comfortable without the drinking before you tackle the smoking. And when you do, give your local GP surgery a ring and ask for an appointment with the Health Care Assistant. She (or he) will be able to get you nicotine patches and other aids on prescription for a fraction of the cost you'd pay over the counter. It worked for me, until I decided to be an a*se and have 'just the one'.

I wouldn't worry about the snacking for now. It's early days, and you're doing great. Don't take on too much right now.

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Post by Annie- » 09 Mar 2010 18:46

Thanks for the new thread Bela - and sorry it's taken so long for me to actually post in it!

I requested it as, for me, and possibly others, my addictions to drinking and binge-eating are so closely linked. I've actually surprised myself lately that I've managed to get the drinking under control for a little while now (8 weeks), but my bingeing is spiraling out of control again. It's like you say, Bela - can I ever do both at the same time? What new addiction will then be waiting to take its place?

Eating makes me feel disgusting, so I want to drink to numb that feeling - that's how it's always worked in the past. I know at the moment that drinking must come first so I am concentrating on that but I'm left feeling depressed about my eating and nothing to help numb those feelings. I have been exercising in an attempt to channel my addictive tendencies elsewhere but it always comes back to bingeing :(

I have tried weight management plans, slimming clubs, educating myself about nutrition, Overeaters Anon, counselling, exercise, everything! When I do manage to control it for short periods, I feel 100 times better - so healthy and full of energy. So why do I do it??! I can relate to what you say, Hamster - I love food and hate it too.

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Post by WendyinOz » 13 Mar 2010 17:56

Like you Alfie

I feel that I am fat and at the same time undernourished.
I feel sure that one of those fat measuring test would see me about 60% or more body fat.
(The lovely big waistline could be signs of an unhappy liver too)

I have all kinds of eating issues..
Gluten intolerant and lots of food allergies and I have to live on a no residue diet as well.. sigh..
GF foods are all "white" and high GI which plays havoc with the blood sugar.
Luckily I am one of those rare creatures who don't like or eat chocolate or sweets.
I kind of eat what I can and when I can and usually at night.
"They" say that eating in the evening is the worst thing you can do if you are trying to lose weight.
But I am also hypoglycemic and kind of need that bit of food at regular intervals..
And I get the "well it's better than drinking" mindset..

From tomorrow I'll start a food diary and counting my points again.
At the end of the day It's all a matter of taking in no more calories that one is using up.

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Post by Bela » 14 Mar 2010 14:03

For me, it's more than counting calories but getting a handle on what is triggering the eating.
Counting calories for me is like counting units of drink, just doesn't work.
I need to quit purchasing unhealthy food and get it out of my house.
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Post by Andy » 14 Mar 2010 14:43

Agree with Bela,

When I get the munches any crap in the kitchen is the most likely solution, crisps, choc, sweets etc.

Unfortunately with kids who are both very active and skinny, and a wife who weighs less than 7 stone the other 3 in the house have little reason to watch what they eat there is always lots of stuff I shouldnt eat, but a bit like the booze if it's there it gets eaten!!!
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Post by WendyinOz » 14 Mar 2010 21:43

I know counting calories is a big hassle for many people
I kind of make it a bit of a challenge
I am obviously overweight because I eat too much ..even healthy food
And maybe at the wrong times

We never did count "units" of alcohol over here
I never even heard of it until joining here
We use "standard" drinks

I never buy processed or unhealthy food and make all mine from scratch
My problem is that I am hungry all the time, always thinking about food
Even if I can't eat it

Maybe the hunger is all in my head
I kind of worry I'm not going to get enough :roll:
Maybe I need to investigate that further

Good luck with getting rid of all the munchies
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Post by jaybee » 18 Mar 2010 13:10

One VERY simple rule the Germans have to slim down, bearing in mind the post-War rationing all of Europe endured, was, "Put half the food on your plate you normally do". This WORKS, the root cause of overeating and flab is excess portion size. Our meal sizes are simply too big, and Now, because when you initially phase over into this system, you WILL feel a sense of lack in your brain (not your stomach), I would extend that to "Put half the food on your plate you normally do, and go for a 5 minute walk, and see if you're STILL hungry".

If you're worried about the temptation to wolf down more food in half an hour, try the above, and see if I'm wrong. I'm not.

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Post by Bela » 18 Mar 2010 14:01

Putting half the food on the plate would work as well for me as drinking only one glass of wine.
The "rational" approaches that work so well for many don't cut it for me for some reason.

A friend told me about a study she had recently heard about on public radio, where people in the group who were given a more complex set of stuff to remember were more likely to pick up the junk snack as they walked down the hall, and people given the more simple task were more likely to pick up the apple. The take home message as she put it was mindfulness works best if you don't have too much on your mind.
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Post by jaybee » 18 Mar 2010 22:50

Bela wrote:Putting half the food on the plate would work as well for me as drinking only one glass of wine.
The "rational" approaches that work so well for many don't cut it for me for some reason.
The trick (either for food or drink) is to reduce the immediate availability of further supply to nil. "Immediate", in this case, being an hour or so. We're often told on the forum to clear our houses of booze so that if we DID drink that leftover tin of beer, it would take a good few minutes to get in our car and drive down to off-licence/Morrisons/pub etc, in which time our willpower will have a chance to regroup and reassert. Same is true of foods, clear the house of as much junk food as possible.

Another nice trick - just before you are due to get the pre-meal munchies, practice eating a filler, like Spinach, which is tremendously good for you and is quite fibrous yet yields very few calories.
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Post by jaybee » 18 Mar 2010 22:52

Bela wrote: A friend told me about a study she had recently heard about on public radio, where people in the group who were given a more complex set of stuff to remember were more likely to pick up the junk snack as they walked down the hall, and people given the more simple task were more likely to pick up the apple. The take home message as she put it was mindfulness works best if you don't have too much on your mind.
Prep your meals ahead of time so that you need only "Heat and eat". Again, junk food is popular not merely because it tastes so good, but because it is so available in it's "Tear off and eat" state.
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Post by fairycake » 21 Mar 2010 17:38

hello all

I've been a bit quiet on here recently - sadly I have not conquered my demons - i'm still drinking - but have managed to keep it under control - no disasters or serious hangovers...I know...I know...it is only a matter of time...but i'm still working on things - my head, my routine, my lifestyle and moving forward.

When I saw this thread the other day, there were so many things I wanted to say on this issue that I didn't know where to begin - I knew I would need a decent stretch of uninterrupted time to marshall my thoughts on, and issues surrounding food...not sure how long I've got now either as need to get busy with children soon - but just wanted to say thanks for starting this thread and I'll be back to talk about me and food and drink as soon as i can.

Okay - kids are busy - i have 5 minutes...

basically food is something I hate and love and always have. I am of quite small stature with a surprisingly big appetite and can eat vasts amounts of sugary food that would make other people sick (a whole jar of nutella licked from a spoon, whole multi packs of chocolate, half a loaf of bread toasted...you get the picture....sound familiar...) the only way I'm not obese (about 20lbs heavier than I'd like to be though) is that between these periods of over eating I go a few days where I restrict my calories which means I tread water so to speak..

I have tried to 'moderate' but it just doesn't work for me - once I start eating sugary things - the craving is every bit as strong for me as an alcohol craving......

Obviously I can't cut food out altogether (not like you can/should with alcohol) so controlling is the only thing I can try to do...

When I was younger I stayed really slim by not eating much and getting my 'treat' from alcohol, this no longer works for me now as I obviously drink too much (especially if I'm hungry !!)

I have realised that the happiest, most productive periods in my life have been when I am on a strict calorie controlled diet, I am focused, I exercise, I have more energy and most importantly I feel content and in control...

What ruins these periods for me is drinking too much as hangovers give me the munchies and I'm back to square one...and yet I can not bring my self to strictly control my eating AND not drink - it just seems like too much of a sacrifice..

so, what I have been doing over the last few weeks is following a very strict diet and going for a 45 - 60 minute walk on nights when I want a drink about 5 nights a week)...

I feel great, I drink more than I should...but I feel in control, I am losing weight and I am avoiding hangovers because the walking beforehand means I start drinking later and so drink less....

I realise this probably won't last forever (although I would like it to) but it feels like the best practicable solution at the moment.

I know in my heart that although drinking causes me problems, if I stop I won't lose weight, I'll replace drink with food and get fat (ter) which I can't live with...

I know some women (thinking Nigela lawson here for example) look fabulous and volumptuous - but I do not - and I do not want to spend the rest of my life fat...and it's not just about looks, it's about how I feel - I want energy, flexibility, to be comfy in my clothes etc....and i know a bit too much info here - but i would also like a sex drive - which is something I do not have when I feel big...

anyway - have to go now - sorry to end on a bit of a random note, but would appreciate thoughts...

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Post by Bela » 22 Mar 2010 13:33

I can really relate to what you are saying, Fairy.
I've been trying to say something similar I think . . .
I believe for me it is a matter of getting the whole system working, but it is really complicated as you know.
I don't have any answers here, but I hear you. <:)>
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Post by Sandy » 22 Mar 2010 19:53

Love this new thread, thank you Annie and Bela
Fairy and Bela I can so relate to what you are saying.
I have been off my regular 2 bottles of wine a night fix for 7 months now and was amazed initially how much sugar I craved!. I never had a sweet tooth before but could easily munch my way thru any kind of savoury mountain and ignore chocolate, now, it's just chocolate chocolate chocolate..only interupted by a healthy fix of nicotine. I have always had weight issues and can talk at great lengths about any diet...you name it ..I've done it!
Have I simply replaced one addiction with another?
But I do really want to do something about this sweet and nicotine addiction.
I looked at my elderly parents recently who are approaching 80, and I thought.... "I may live another 30 years like them, do I really want to be this overweight fag addicted and very unhappy individual for the rest of my life?"
I need to do something about this!
Any advice greatly accepted!
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Post by Sandy » 23 Mar 2010 18:22

Hi Mrs P
Think I am going to go for the Allen Carr approach to the cigs. Think the only way a nicotine patch would work would be if I stuck it over my mouth...Hey I might have something there...could even help my weight loss!!
I'll keep you posted
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