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Post by Newt » 28 Jan 2015 00:21

I smoked for over thirty years LB, forty a day for about the last ten-ish of it, the first month on an e-cig (ego type with a little clearomizer tank) it was never out of my mouth but with time it settled down. I started to taper off after the first month or so in nicotine levels and after watching a few youtube videos and doing some internet shopping started making my own liquid for the fun and made it gradually weaker by 2mg/ml until I hit zero, you hardly notice the change that way.

Good luck LB, at first it takes a bit of getting used to but after a while you'll wonder how the hell you suffered tobacco and there are some really good affordable systems on the market now and more to come!

I wouldn't bother with tobacco flavours until your taste buds (which will be soon) come flooding back as they do not taste like tobacco but mix well with coffee flavours I find, very soon you can kiss coughing goodbye altogether ;)?


I'm just waiting for postie to deliver the new Kangertech sub tank mini for when I'm sat behind the computer, I had to treat myself :lol:
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Post by loosebanana » 31 Jan 2015 19:22

Only a few days in but I haven't smoked tobacco since starting with the 'pen'. No cravings for the 'real-thing'.

When I did alcohol detox they issued out the nicorette inhaler, I'd have a few 'puffs' on that then smoke a rollie a few minutes later...

I've also read the Allen Carr book, but he made a business out of it with his stop smoking clinics.

One point I did agree with him about though, was that nicotine withdrawal is virtually non-existent. The cravings are more to do with other things, something to do with your hands, a time killer, a 'crafty one', stress relief, being in a place you don't want to be.
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Post by Newt » 31 Jan 2015 20:19

I agree fully on the habit addiction being on par if not grater than the chemical as far as smoking goes, I vape now not because I'm gasping for nicotine, that feeling left me soon after I reduced the nicotine to a low level but because most of my life I inhaled something, that's the reminder that I vape for want of a better way of putting it! If I leave my e cig at home I wouldn't say I go crazy for it like I would if I'd left my baccie at home but it does cross my mind that I would like a nice flavoured vape if I could, but only now and then it crosses my mind.

Well done on not smoking LB (::) I found for the first week or two a little discipline was needed to stick to the e cig but not much! After that no discipline was needed at all!

There are plenty of youtube tutorials and reviews on all types of vaping stuff so see if the one you bought is on there, you may get some good tips on how to get the best out of it.

I'm just enjoying a peach and lychee tea at the moment, nice vape indeed ;)?

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Post by loosebanana » 31 Jan 2015 21:14

It's very pleasant, like a nice cigar or a pipe with a favourite cherry blend tobacco, but often I would inhale those too if I wanted a nicotine hit.

(I can also be found tramping the ashtrays for want of something to smoke... :shock: ), or going to a 24 hour shop! Or scabbing one off a neighbour.

But I have enough supplies to last a good few weeks, I got the vivid one, from a local shop, and ordered 2 boxes of liquids online, which were £80.

Seems a lot, but if it helps me.
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If it's like this one LB it's good for the job, I started on a very similar system and it got me off the fags just fine!

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Post by loosebanana » 31 Jan 2015 22:32

It's very similar, probably slightly updated, the USB charger is on a separate wire, for 'ease of use', and it came in a nice box no cheesy sexy image on it.

It's the same one you can get on Amazon.

I got mine from Reassuringly Expensive Marks and Spencers! But Asda have them for a tenner.
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Post by Newt » 01 Feb 2015 13:41

It will pay for it's self in no time LB ;)? The good thing about Marks and Sparks is if for any reason it goes wrong you can at least get some joy with customer service!

I still have that style and it's almost 17 months old and works just as good as the day I bought it, the good thing with that sort of battery is the connector, it's got both 510 and ego thread so any tank designed for 3.7 volts will fire on it! ;)?
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Post by Zandra 1 » 03 Feb 2015 07:16

DAY 25 SF, Hi all fellow quit club members \:)/ I'm still SF and so far the cravings have been minimal and nothing i can't deal with. ;)? Usually before or by now i would have had 'i was smoking' dream's then woke up pissed off i had done it as its so vivid at the time and you wake up convinced you been at it, and I'm also glad i avoided the 'I'll just get one off my neighbor then no more' job. ()o

One is never enough the same as Alcohol one lead's right back to don't pass go and much self flagellation, swearing and angry at being an A hole knowingly walking back in to the lions den. I'm also glad i never got an Ecig as well as when i did have one it went from a few drags to 'perma fag' then back on the real McCoy time after time. :evil:

And the crap in Vapers is bloody anti- freeze? so your still hitting chemicals in to your body via the Ecig, and the other thing is it kicks off a chain reaction where one or two chemicals entering your body spark off a load of other bad chemicals. And now the Cigarette companies are making them?, and have been for ages :?

Don't take a Genius to work out that all you doing is swopping the route of administration as with all drugs . But each to their own and our choices are our choices, all I'm saying is there's no such thing as a 'free lunch' irregardless of what it is. I stopped smoking for a four year's and went back at it, then for over a year after that and ended up at square one all because of 'just one' and Ecigs :mrgreen: Good luck stating SF everyone.

Love to everyone Zandra xxxx <:)> <:)>
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Post by Finley » 03 Feb 2015 09:21

Well done Zandra (::) I STILL occasionally dream that I'm smoking (after 14 months SF :shock: ) but thankfully it never makes me long for 'the real thing' anymore - it used to in the first few weeks. Keep going everyone <:)>
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Post by Newt » 03 Feb 2015 09:31

Zandra love, no one said they where safe, nothing is but with a 95-99% proven less risk than smoking I will take my chance and follow the REAL research that isn't driven by tobacco tax greed!

If you don't smoke then don't vape, if you do smoke then the choice is yours to limit the risk of dying from one in two from smoking!

Ps propylene glycol is used in antifreeze, also in asthma inhalers, nebuliser therapy and as a vapour for lung transplant patients, the exact ingredients of e liquid are in the nicorette inhaler, it is also in all your food as E1520.

Lets look at a few facts, this will of coarse be harder to digest than a cut and paste American scare story in the daily mirror!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVS0_BG ... r1YibW8wXp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huvPuCYoBGs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This Doctor who has been researching both tobacco and e cigs.

http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here is the famous formaldehyde "letter", notice that is says no formaldehyde was found when the e cigarette was used as it was designed for, only when it was pushed far beyond it's limits which would make it unusable!

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lets see that being replicated in the real world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZQQZDavmyw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now remember the amounts of the said "formaldehyde" which if you read the letter fully wasn't actually what they found, let's see how bad it is compared to what we eat!

http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/ ... dehyde.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

^ So what's that, about 20,000 drags on an e cig that tastes like burning carpet equals one pear?

So what does the British government say today.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/mps ... parliament" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


People, we all have google, I could push my point all day but I don't have all day! The war has started and science will win!

https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/move/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Click on this, read it and then click on supporters, the number is getting more by the day!

I told you it was a lot to ingest, but bad news sell newspapers, but news papers aren't scientists!

e cigs save lives and will be the death of tobacco not us http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2782" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit:- http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.nl/2015 ... ronic.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anyway well done on being SF Zandra <:)>
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Post by loosebanana » 03 Feb 2015 09:50

You're thinking of ethylene glycol, which is anti-freeze, e-cigs use propylene glycol, same stuff used by theatrical smoke machines, and those haven't been banned yet!

But each to their own it's just been a revelation for me, from heavy smoking to no actual fags in a week now, I wouldn't have managed that without this thing.

It does have that 'endless fag' thing about it, but I was like that as a smoker anyway. yesterday was the first day I could feel an improvement in my lungs, no way I'm going back to fags and if this thing is just a replacement so be it.

Currently rocking apricot and peach flavour!
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Post by Newt » 03 Feb 2015 10:02

I know the feeling LB, I'd tried everything for cold turkey to having a little Chinese lady stick pins into me, well done on your first week (::)


Currently vaping home brew apple pie and custard at 3mg/ml, just enough to keep my colon from swelling and bleeding ;)? Back to the hospital next week for my check up as I am their little guinea pig helping to prove what they already knew that nicotine therapy helps chronic ulcerative colitis stay in remission!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2014383/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have had no issues since, after two months of trying meds and not getting anywhere we went down this route, boy am I pleased about that! ;)?
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Post by loosebanana » 03 Feb 2015 10:19

Gosh, well, good luck with the hospital visit, at least you have found a pleasant way to manage the condition (better than a nicotine enema as per that article :o ).
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Post by Newt » 03 Feb 2015 10:35

It was the enema of medication as a last resort that got me back on the nicotine LB. Later on I'll post a photo of the box full I still have (unused) things where that bad down there! They look like a squeezy hand grenade with a straw on top, one a day every day for a month, I just couldn't bring myself to do it, mine is an exit not an entrance!!! DIY enemas, what will they think of next!

Two weeks it took 6mg/ml of vaping to sort it out, as said I'm down to 3mg, current figures state that over 50% of the nic can be destroyed in the atomiser, I go through about 3ml a day, at 1mg per ciggy I'm a very light nicotine user indeed!

Nature makes the lock, up to us to find where she hid the key in the garden! :D


Edit:- I have also chosen wherever possible to include these types of food into my diet http://www.livestrong.com/article/29318 ... -nicotine/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe that's why crisps are so addictive ;)
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Post by Zandra 1 » 05 Feb 2015 11:00

Naughty little newt wrote:Zandra love, no one said they where safe, nothing is but with a 95-99% proven less risk than smoking I will take my chance and follow the REAL research that isn't driven by tobacco tax greed!

If you don't smoke then don't vape, if you do smoke then the choice is yours to limit the risk of dying from one in two from smoking!

Ps propylene glycol is used in antifreeze, also in asthma inhalers, nebuliser therapy and as a vapour for lung transplant patients, the exact ingredients of e liquid are in the nicorette inhaler, it is also in all your food as E1520.

Lets look at a few facts, this will of coarse be harder to digest than a cut and paste American scare story in the daily mirror!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVS0_BG ... r1YibW8wXp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huvPuCYoBGs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This Doctor who has been researching both tobacco and e cigs.

http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here is the famous formaldehyde "letter", notice that is says no formaldehyde was found when the e cigarette was used as it was designed for, only when it was pushed far beyond it's limits which would make it unusable!

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lets see that being replicated in the real world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZQQZDavmyw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now remember the amounts of the said "formaldehyde" which if you read the letter fully wasn't actually what they found, let's see how bad it is compared to what we eat!

http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/ ... dehyde.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

^ So what's that, about 20,000 drags on an e cig that tastes like burning carpet equals one pear?

So what does the British government say today.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/mps ... parliament" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


People, we all have google, I could push my point all day but I don't have all day! The war has started and science will win!

https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/move/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Click on this, read it and then click on supporters, the number is getting more by the day!

I told you it was a lot to ingest, but bad news sell newspapers, but news papers aren't scientists!

e cigs save lives and will be the death of tobacco not us http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2782" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit:- http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.nl/2015 ... ronic.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anyway well done on being SF Zandra <:)>

Aww! bored were you Mick? :lol: thanks for all the 'research' and as i said 'different strokes for different folks' but NRT isn't my choice. And newer research has shown that even isolated ssuch as an Ecig Nicotine actually turns in to a metabolite just as Cancer and illness causing as all the chemicals in Cigs . I can't find that research at the moment but it was done by a Well respected set of Scientist in UK. and here's another one on Ecigs and thanks for the congrats ;)?

Love Zandra xxxx <:)> <:)>


Experts warn that e-cigarettes can damage the lungs

European Lung Foundation


Vienna, Austria: New research has shown that despite electronic cigarettes being marketed as a potentially safer alternative to normal cigarettes, they are still causing harm to the lungs.

A new study, presented today (Sunday 2 September 2012) at the European Respiratory Society's Annual Congress in Vienna, has added new evidence to the debate over the safety of alternative nicotine-delivery products.

Electronic cigarettes are devices that deliver nicotine through a vapour, rather than smoke. There is no combustion involved but the nicotine in the device is still derived from tobacco. There has been much debate over the safety and efficiency of the products, but little scientific evidence to support either claim.

Researchers from the University of Athens in Greece aimed to investigate the short-term effects of using e-cigarettes on different people, including people without any known health problems and smokers with and without existing lung conditions.

The study included 8 people who had never smoked and 24 smokers, 11 with normal lung function and 13 people with either chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) or asthma.

Each person used an electronic cigarette for 10 minutes. The researchers then measured their airway resistance using a number of tests, including a spirometry test.

The results showed that for all people included in the study, the e-cigarette caused an immediate increase in airway resistance, lasting for 10 minutes. In healthy subjects (never smokers) there was a statistically significant increase in airway resistance from a mean average of 182% to 206%.

In smokers with normal spirometry there was a statistically significant increase from a mean average of 176% to 220%. In COPD and asthma patients the use of one e-cigarette seemed to have no immediate effect to airway resistance.

Professor Christina Gratziou, one of the authors and Chair of the ERS Tobacco Control Committee, said: "We do not yet know whether unapproved nicotine delivery products, such as e-cigarettes, are safer than normal cigarettes, despite marketing claims that they are less harmful. This research helps us to understand how these products could be potentially harmful.

"We found an immediate rise in airway resistance in our group of participants, which suggests e-cigarettes can cause immediate harm after smoking the device. More research is needed to understand whether this harm also has lasting effects in the long-term.

"The ERS recommends following effective smoking cessation treatment guidelines based on clinical evidence which do not advocate the use of such products."

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Post by Newt » 05 Feb 2015 11:38

Thanks love, I just find it funny how the press is making a meal of things right now :lol:

I have always had a loathing for the tabloids and any scaremongering in general, look at today's Mirror. There is a few facts in The Guardian about the tests and at what levels.

Looking at the levels in air polution I come to the conclusion that sitting in a traffic jam is 300 times more harmful that a ciggy, which is 100 times more harmfull than an e çig, so my biggest worry right now is trying not to breath driving to work! wish me luck :lol:

It was only a few weeks ago the BBC ran this saying that most cancer was from bad luck, as I've never won the lottery I'm shitting myself! two tickets this week!

Go easy in that keep fit too!

Point I'm making is compared to nothing at all everything has a risk, how big that risk is is the last thing a news story is interested in!

Try not to breath Zandra! <:)> <:)>

And thanks for the post, I'm interested in that sort of thing, as if you haven't guessed :lol:
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There was an MP who stood up in parliament this week and said he first started vaping in July last year and has not smoked or wanted a ciggie since. Had been on upto 50 a day and tried many, many times using other methods. He called for the Chief Medical Officer to look into offering smokers this as one method to stop actual smoking, and offered NHS evidence that it is 1000 times less harmful than cigarettes. The response was that the health risks of e-cigs have been neither proved, nor disproved, therefore the Chief Medical Officer cannot, at this time, recommend e-cigs as an 'approved' NRT.

His anecdotal evidence based on his experience with smoking and switching to vaping was met with murmured congratulations and approval.

Stats and clinical trials are meaningless, talk to a 50 a day man who hasn't had a fag in 8 months and I bet you he can tell you it's been a bloody godsend.
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Post by Newt » 05 Feb 2015 12:12

Well I'm not an MP but from a 40 a day habit to only vaping instantly and have not had a single drag of a fag since 13-9-2013, pure coincidence I'm sure but I haven't had a cold since then either or if I have I haven't noticed it!

If push came to shove I can stop vaping but until they are allowed to prescribe nicotine that works 100% on my UC I will have to take my chances with the side effects and unknown long term effects of medication that has so far had limited success on me.

Apart from that LB I'm enjoying the fist fight going on in the press, did you read that the guy who started all the trouble in California jacked his job two days after :lol: I bet you he's working for Philip Morris now!!! :lol:
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Post by Newt » 05 Feb 2015 13:27

Ok, the round up! We have found out over the past few weeks that over heating an e cig to the point of unusable is bad, we have also been told that propylene glycol is bad, now we are told that e cigs have 1% of the free radicals of cigarettes, also bad, that big tobacco is behind all this just to keep us hooked on nicotine, very naughty.

But never fear, the government has just approved an alternative to the demon e cig. Yes folks for almost the price of a pack of ciggies you can enjoy the pleasures of something that isn't vape or smoke but VOKE!


Voke/Nicotine 0.45mg Inhaler

MEDICINAL PRODUCT
Other ingredients consist of the pharmaceutical excipient
propylene glycol, ethanol,
saccharin, levomenthol and HFA13 considered to be the standard to be applied for this
propellant.

So if e cigs, patches, gum or cold turkey just doesn't cut it for you there is an alternative that's got lots of chemicals in it.

Right, you'll be pleased to know that the rant is almost over so the thread can get back to the lovely Finners and Zandra who are the real achievers here, cold turkey is admirable and both of you deserve a (::)

I'm going to ask LB to co-host a vaping thread with me called facetube! a place for people who enjoy lung candy :lol:

However you quit it will be the best thing you will ever did ;)?
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Post by Zandra 1 » 05 Feb 2015 13:51

loosebanana wrote:There was an MP who stood up in parliament this week and said he first started vaping in July last year and has not smoked or wanted a ciggie since. Had been on upto 50 a day and tried many, many times using other methods. He called for the Chief Medical Officer to look into offering smokers this as one method to stop actual smoking, and offered NHS evidence that it is 1000 times less harmful than cigarettes. The response was that the health risks of e-cigs have been neither proved, nor disproved, therefore the Chief Medical Officer cannot, at this time, recommend e-cigs as an 'approved' NRT.

His anecdotal evidence based on his experience with smoking and switching to vaping was met with murmured congratulations and approval.

Stats and clinical trials are meaningless, talk to a 50 a day man who hasn't had a fag in 8 months and I bet you he can tell you it's been a bloody godsend.

Hi LB xxx I wouldn't trust any MP even if they were on fire in front of me screaming 'I'm on fire' oh yeah??? And the same ''Chief Medical Officer '' also said 'Fluoride is safe to put in to the public drinking supply'' even though its been proven a million times its deadly, with NO health benefits at all. :o

Against the wishes of the General public who also took the Government to court to stop them poisoning their water with Fluoride but had the 'For the Government against the people' by a 'high court judge' verdict spat in their faces? Hitler was first Fluoride into the water supply to turn the German people in to 'drugged submission Zombies' with no will power. :shock:

And year's ago MP's were singing the Virtues and health benefits of 'Cigarettes for the people', ()o backed up by a Government health official and the NHS gave them away free on every ward in every Hospital in UK?[/b] Why? because the f**ks were getting back handers from the Tobacco companies, who are now ALL and have been for ages, manufacturing Ecigs, for two reasons. :

One it's profitable as so many people now vape, Two, its also been proven that Ecigs send more people back to Cigarettes than anything else on this planet . And the 'Government' also backs Ecigs up with 'Reports from '' A Government health official'' . Coming next week 'Government health official's say it's safe and way better for your health, to take Heroin as long as its plain Heroin and not mixed with anything else???? Or its the same drug but if we change the name then that changes ever negative thing about it? Me thinks not my Deario ;) :)

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