A good article on the BBC today about what happens in an AA meeting – well worth reading.By Bright Eye|104 Comments Share This Story, Choose Your Platform! FacebookTwitterLinkedInGoogle+Email About the Author: Bright Eye 104 Comments Comments navigation Newer comments Teazy 1 August, 2012 at 7:23 am - Reply Katy, follow your gut instincts, if it feels right go, and if it doesnt dont go. I believe AA works for some people but not for all. KatyD 22 June, 2012 at 12:54 pm - Reply Having been to 2 AA meetings now (sober 13 days) and going again tomorrow, I can see both sides. I haven’t yet said those words “I’m an alcoholic” – at one I avoided this by just not speaking, at the other, they went round the room and all said it but thankfully one other person said “pass” so I did too. I do find it a bit cult-like and some of the people are very very in to it all, in a way I can’t imagine being. But then I am a single mother and unable to attend many meetings anyway. But I have already heard elements of people’s stories that I can relate to and people have been very kind. I’m just grateful I’ve stopped before I got in to any worse situations like some I’ve heard in the rooms. Oh yeah, that’s another thing. Nobody explains the terminology to you. The rooms, the gratitudes (this seems to be another monetary contribution) and then the chanting of the Serenity Prayer. I don’t know, I don’t think it’ll be for me, but I do NOT want to drink again so if that’s what it takes for now….. Madge 3 June, 2012 at 9:26 pm - Reply First time I’ve visited this website after someone recommended it and it seems to have loads of useful posts. I must stick up for AA though, it’s quite possibly saved my life. It gives me somewhere to go out a couple of evenings a week (instead of the pub), new friends who genuinely care about how I’m doing, the opportunity to hear others’ stories and how they’ve approached sobriety etc. The “God thing” is odd at first, but the groups I’ve been to are all clear that your higher power can be whatever you want: it might just be 2 alcoholics helping each other. Although I love it, I can understand why people may feel it has some cultish characteristics, although nobody tries to part you from family or money! I don’t find it over-controlling. Have to say the masonic theory is a new one on me! If you’re struggling, I’d suggest giving it a go. Teazy 18 April, 2012 at 1:35 pm - Reply AA works if you have a lot of time (to go to meetings) are prepared to spend time helping others (service work), are seeking a spiritual programme as opposed to just stopping drinking. It doesnt work if you are a busy mum with family commitments and are not at rock bottom but just need support, my personal opinion obviously. I was told put aa first and family second, that was enough for me to run for the hills….. martin 28 June, 2012 at 9:59 am - Reply aa says if you stop drinking you will probably keep your family and have a chance to be happy, keep drinking, no family Simon 9 April, 2012 at 3:22 pm - Reply Just reading through some of the posts on this site and have to stick up for AA. I have been sober for over 16 years thank goodness. I can see what some people are saying about AA being a cult, religion etc. I guess that I was lucky because when I came to AA I was so beaten and desperate to give up the booze that I really didn’t care what I was joining. I didn’t have much to lose and in fact have ended up gaining a lot. I still go to several meetings a week and it is a large part of my life but then I drank every day and booze was an even larger part of my life so I think on balance I have the better deal now. I am free to go anywhere and do anything which was certainly not the case before. Good luck to you all and whatever way you find works for you is great. I don’t know if it was sheer desperation, my higher power, the 12 steps or the fellowship and support of friends and my sponsor that kept me sober all these years so I keep them all going in case I drop the wrong one! Nan 19 March, 2012 at 2:02 pm - Reply Lola you should go!!! What’s the worst that could happen? I am going to my first meeting next week. 10 days sober Nan Lola 27 February, 2012 at 9:39 pm - Reply I rang AA’s last thursday after drinking every 2 to 3 days over a 3 week period. At the time I rang I felt so desperate to change. I have been drinking on and off for 14 years and slowly the sober days have become less and less. I never drink 2 days in a row however once I stop the only thing that stops me drinking is falling asleep. Now 5 days sober I am not sure if AA’s is for me. I have read so many conflicting stories about AA’s being good and bad. Not sure what to do??? henryt 27 February, 2012 at 12:24 pm - Reply I am a serious binge drinker I am off it today after 8 days. I have had to take a valium to calm me down This started with one night out where I planned to only have one night. I have jobs in the past and think I am on my way to lose this latest one and my wife is at the end of her tether. I am seriousy depresssed today. The thing is you always think the next time will be different. This is the lowest I have ever felt I am going to the doctor to get a sick note I cant do this again. Erika 19 November, 2012 at 6:23 am - Reply Don’t give up henryt. I’m going through similar issues as you are. Woke up with a horrible hangover this morning. Didn’t drink tonight :). I won’t give up. I can’t. I hope you get better. Good luck BEVERLEY 24 January, 2012 at 11:53 pm - Reply why is it called alcoholics anonymous when i’d have to stand up n say ” hi my names Bev n i’m an alcoholic” just saying … :-p Teazy 1 August, 2012 at 7:22 am - Reply I was disappointed when i learned about AAs programme. It was too non-sensical for me and i had many issues with it. However, I did meet some nice people there and believe it can help a certain type of alcoholic. I am still struggling with this but am reading lots on the subject. Now a weekend drinker as opposed to a daily one, not ideal but progressing in the right direction… Erika 19 November, 2012 at 6:28 am - Reply I’ve been to my share of aa meetings and was very uncomfortable with that too. The higher power thing gets to me too. I’m not religious at all and felt uncomfortable with that aspect. Also felt like a bit of a hypocrite. While aa does work for many,I think you have to have certain mind set for it work. Thanks Kasey 8 October, 2011 at 11:32 pm - Reply Well, im not sure why people are so down on AA. I’ve struggled with periods of drinking heavily. I have never been a daily drinker or been physically dependent on it; however, I do abuse alcohol. One thing I don’t like about AA is that you must say you are an alcoholic when you speak. So, I haven’t spoken yet. I have only gone to a few meetings recently and plan to go to more. I hold a full time job, have friends, good family and am very educated; however, I do abuse alcohol periodically in my life and it has impacted me negatively. I have had bad things happen to me when intoxicated and although I don’t always get drunk when going out there are times I do and since I can’t always predict it I would like to change. I work out and try to eat healthy and notice excessive alcohol has impacted my ability to really exceed in running. I went to the few AA meetings initially judging the people there (they didn’t seem that educated, some were prior heavy/daily drinkers and weren’t too well dressed). I was wrong in my jugements and as they spoke I found them to be highly intelligent, introspective, good people who have gotten sober. One lady for 34 years with help from AA and numerous others for 10 to 25 years plus. They are good people who support each other. So, the proof is there. If a person is commited they will succeed. I think its because of the support they find from each other. I know everyone has the right to their opinion but I feel the main reason people slam AA is that they have no desire to commit to a completely sober life. Believe me, I know it sucks and is scary but the long time sober people I saw looked very happy to me! Clio 6 November, 2012 at 1:33 pm - Reply Kasey – apart from my never having attended an AA meeting, you are describing an almost carbon copy of me in your response. I have been wary of attending an AA meeting for precisely the reason you just stated: that you have to stand up and announce you are an alcoholic. Am I one?? Truly, I don’t know. But I DO know that I abuse alcohol and that I have had horrible experiences in the past because of it. I want to stop drinking, which is why I came onto this site. Perhaps the AA format is not for everyone. I personally feel that, if something works for you, then it works. I wouldn’t like to write AA off as a crazy cult set-up because I have two friends who regularly attend and who have benefited hugely from the support network there. As I said, it may well suit some people and not others. I enjoyed your post, thank you. It was honest and informative. deech 21 September, 2011 at 7:54 am - Reply I have been to AA and have not found any of the above mentioned. I only went to one group several times and we had fun and it was fun when we all carpooled to get there. Had a cuppa afterwards and it was something i looked forward to each week. I already have a strong believe in God and didnt feel that i had to go to a higher power that i didnt already have in my relationship with Jesus Christ. I take full responsibily for drinking alcohol and no body forced me to take my 1st or any other drink i chose not to llisten to what i really knew but thought i could be the exception and now have had to face life with out drink. Im hoping that by just saying it like it is for me i dont offend but i dont believe its a decease as much as a chosen behaviour that like anything if not used in moderation will destroy my body Tom 26 August, 2011 at 9:24 am - Reply Guys, please use paragraphs to break up the walls of text. Also, please use and punctuation. Have respect for people who read what you write. MarkRH 21 August, 2011 at 4:39 am - Reply As a 51 year old longtime boozer, and former AA or such member, this much I have to say. AA is indeed a mystery cult, with hidden intent to deceive the trapped drinker. They claim alcoholism is a disease, yet ignore the physiological element. Plain fact is, alcohol is but a form of sugar, and sugar like; tobacco, caffeine, etc.. is a highly addictive substance. And with such, tolerance gradually develops, and to the point where one craves. Also happens with; sex, drugs, etc.. due to changes in brain chemistry. Anyway, we eat basically to feel good.. have energy for work or play. Alcoholics drink for same basic reasons.. to feel good. If food or booze made us feel bad only, would we really desire it? Although a heavy daily boozer (varies), I also try to maintain a decent enough diet. Else the booze would have no pleasure benifit, rather just make me feel ill. You can’t take substitute booze for food, and expect to feel good. Also booze is high in calories (varies), and main reason why boozers eat less. Anyway, just my two cents worth on topic 😉 As for AA being Masonic, I don’t doubt it. Many organizations in modern society are occult oriented. It’s all part of the NWO plan, to deceive the populace, and globalize. As a web researcher, I’ve a web site linked here detailing much. Lu 17 June, 2011 at 6:20 pm - Reply I went to AA a few years ago and came out of it feeling like it was a dangerous cult, with some very disturbed people on power trips, preying on the vulnerable. Interesting comments about the links with Masonry – the triangle-in-circle symbol that AA uses was previously used by Aleister Crowley in the early 1900s for his mystical society, the Astrum Argentum..aka A:A. He also used the weird Alcoholics Anonymous phrase “Not God” in his Book of Lies: “The Ante Primal Triad which is NOT-GOD Nothing is. Nothing Becomes. Nothing is not” At the time he was writing this, Crowley was living in America where it is conceivable he met some of the founders of AA. http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Aleister_Crowley Biiiiig Al 23 May, 2011 at 7:53 pm - Reply AA is one of the most dangerous organisations blighting society. It’s starts off with a lie and makes vulnerable people subordinate to a dangerous fallacy. The 12 Step programme is a derivative of Masonary and that is exactly where the higher power element comes directly from. Another lie- AA is not aligned to any denomination or sect – Unbelievable lie, it is totally aligned to the masons. The criminal Bill W wanted to sell this cure but Dr Bob influenced him to go down the secret society route and prey on people when they were at their most vulnerable. In a society where we are creating legislation to protect the vulnerable, it should include regulating this dangerous organisation. Left to their own devices AA destroy people and leave them in fear of the lies they are fed and there are many many people engaged in ‘sponsorship’ who are not fit and proper people to be supporting vulnerable people or imparting their so called wisdom ‘aka lies’. Why should a dangerous sect of unqualified people be allowed to be involved in the care of the vulnerable, if this is not what PVG (Protecting Vulnerable Groups, Scotland) is for then it is a massive failure before it begins. The religious cult that is AA offers NO cures and sets people up to feel like failures if the sect code is not strictly adhered to. AA kills as many people as it helps and it is not good enough to allow them to continue operating unregulated in this country. malcolm 2 October, 2011 at 8:04 am - Reply i have just awoke from the most terrifying experience of my life, if i’d met fred kruger in my ‘dreams’ last night i would have been grateful…the comments i’ve just read have been really helpful and supportive, especially Biiiiig Al’s, cheers mate, i have always felt the same way about NA/AA but i was going to find my nearest meeting until you reminded me of what i really think and believe, it’s sunday today and in the morning i’m going to the docs to see if they can maybe give me some valium for 3-4 days to avoid the monsters, if they don’t i’ll matchstick my eyes open to not sleep, i’m not going through another night like that, about 3 weeks ago i also gave up weed, which may well be adding to things, but i’m determined to stop that too, i feel like i’m taking on a lot but what else can i do? recently broke up from a 7 year relationship and the boozing went off the scale,so for maybe the last two months have been drinking like…i don’t know what, i do know i have i have two black bags full of empty vodka bottles in my back bedroom i’m too ashamed to put out for recycling, and 4 more with empty cans and plastic cider bottles (sigh) thanks for the reading people, please wish me good luck. firewood 20 February, 2012 at 9:38 am - Reply I totaly agree with you, I found the AA so intimadating, i didn’t want to say my name and ‘I’m analcoholic’ to 20 staring strangers.Reading chants etc, it felt like i was joining a sect. But am aware it helps some, just not for me. phil45 14 March, 2011 at 11:15 am - Reply Sean..you should try writing with a mac…i still cant find the delete key!!For me it was always the thought of living without booze..”what do i do at the weekends…how can i go on holiday…what about flying….how can i watch a sporting event without a drink”..because my life revolved and evolved around alcohol..it permeated everything i did…in the end i needed a drink to go and buy a drink…the problem was not having a drink problem it was having a life without drink problem…if that makes sense!! Sean Ice Cool 15 March, 2011 at 12:39 am - Reply if that makes sense!! It makes perfect sense trust me. Phil i will have to be rude tonight because i cant keep my eyes open. Thats the nice thing about no drinking you sleep. Be good and i will bang a post in tomozza night phil45 4 March, 2011 at 3:10 pm - Reply Sean…hopefully our chat encourages others to talk…don’t you think?? Sean Ice Cool 5 March, 2011 at 12:13 am - Reply Yes Phil we dont differ on that one as in encourages people to talk on here. Any way phil if we all talked and thought the same well life would be a crock of crap. I dont have any thing against these Sciantific huge heads because well in a way they saved my life once so i kind of ow them in a way but i like to tell them there getting to complacent in there job so as to give them a boot up the ring peace to spurn them on in to developing better things. Fantasy books you say ummm star treck loved it and my best book as a kid was the secret garden behind the wardrobe. I like to act but not to a Audience and i like to use many many different voices when i am doing it and a hell of a lot of random stuff mostly funny but very near to the bone. I am shore if any body has seen me they think i am the exorcist hahaha. See i am kind of nuts to lol. As a fantacy goes what would be cool and it may become a reality in the near future is if the pasty face huge head could give you a yearly injection to take any affects Alcohol has on the body away kind of like a blocker so you cant get drunk and you cant damage your self as well that would be a bonus and if they can come up with that and may be for smoking to i will gladly be the Guinea pig. I am still a young man really 42 now i think but my lungs are shattered from 60 or 80 a day when i was in no ware land as a boozer. I dont no about you phil but i am kind of in love with being sober now. In the start when i first came of the drink umm think i was about 24 at the time me liver gave up you no well i loved it the sober world then i began to hate it and i became very bitter. Then i hit it hard again because i started drinking shandy as in 2 pints then 3 4 5 12 and then back to normol when the landlord of the pub ran out of lemonade you no and 10 years later i was near dead again and stopped for a bit then it was on off on off. There is massive gaps as in years gaps that i cant remember what the hell i did. Hahaha phil at this point i just lost every thing i had wrote here because i Accidentally hit the backspace when i thought my cursor was in the txt box. I lost the lot lol. Any way i had for got how to get it back so if any one is looking and they don’t no how to when they have lost it. Just hold the ALT button down and hit the Arrow key to the right and it will all come back again. Thats the left right up and down arrow keys. phil45 4 March, 2011 at 12:17 pm - Reply Hi Sean great post and very interesting..I guess where we differ is that i’m prepared to accept that i don’t know all the answers and that also someone else may have an answer….took me a long time and much pain to grasp the concept that i might be wrong….I think i’ve gone with the collective wisdom of the US science establishment(UK govt and BMA influenced by the alcohol lobby in my opinion) but by no means is it a general answer to Alcoholism…i agree with you i dont think there is one great answer and whatever you feel comfortable with and works best for you is great…who am I to argue with someone else’s reality. Where we would also differ is in that in no way could i pick up a drink at any time…tried that little experiment too many times in the past and it always eneded up in the same place…me bottle of vodka…trouble…if i could control my drinking i wouldn’t be writing this….but thats ok with me now…before my drinking i obsessed on music..fantasy books..girls and then my self…self obsessed i’d say….when i stopped drinking i had to look at all these plus others so is addiction a mental disease??…maybe…not long ago alzheimers,dyslexia..bi polar none of these were recognized yet today they’re accepted s you never know those white faced pasty guys might come up with a cure one day. Brian 13 June, 2012 at 4:28 am - Reply For sure, Phil. A huge step for me was realizing that I didn’t have the answers, or even the knowledge that might lead to them …that others did and I had to be humble and accept that, else I wasn’t going to make much progress. I’ve always been pretty independent and looked down my nose at most professionals …my bad. I know better now. Becoming humble about oneself is a key step in the recovery process. Sean Ice Cool 4 March, 2011 at 1:58 am - Reply Well if it floats your boat Phil and helps you keep off the booze then buy all means carry on believing its a disease. I like facts to as it goes but when all the so so so so sciantists in the world can not agree with what they have all studied for umm since the 1700rds then i kind of lean to what my own body tells me and my own head mainly because i have lived with booze first hand. Those people don’t. All or most of my family were piss heads but they were all different they were not mental or depressed. It was back in the days when people worked for a living unlike most alcoholics now and they did a full 12 hour shift all met up straight after work in the works club had a good pint came home slept when to work again. Maybe that was the OCD in them or maybe not or maybe we would need a pasty white faced scientist to work that out. I have been sober now my self phil for a fair few years. I still pop out and have the odd pint now and then but i really don’t feel the need to get bladdered any more and did me fare share of booze Phil . Maybe i am just lucky or maybe i looked beyond my alcohol problem that i had for oh god 20 years or more i would say and looked for the problems i was having before i started to use booze as the big block out crutch. I will go along with the OCD as a part player in booze problems but then i think thats plain to see any way. I still count numbers like i use to pints. I still try to do things faster and faster and i cant stand clutter so i have to chuck any thing that has no use straight out the door. If i start some thing i go OCD until there is no ocd left in that project and then i look for a new ocd project. Its what i call getting the best out of the best. Depression is alcohols number one fan because as you no your self if depression don’t make you go on the drink its shore going to pop its head up when your drank enough of it thats a shore fact. OCD has never been a new one on me as far as booze is concerned. Anger wat about anger…..Anger can make a man drink even a man that has never drank will take a whiskey to calm down. Oh then we have the yellow belly pacifist that will drink to get a back bone and get tuff for a hour or so. Anxiety goes with out saying with booze be that your on it or not on it booze gives you it but will take it away. Try and ask your self this and its not as easy as it sounds. If you could go back to before you drank and you was shipped of to a country were you could not touch drink or we lived in a world of no booze then what addiction do you think you would have developed. And when i say that you must take booze right out the way as if it was never on this planet as in never discovered. Sorry Phil i have never been one for big words i leave that to the crazy people like the politics garbage men and the pasty face scientists. Brian 13 June, 2012 at 4:24 am - Reply To call alcoholism a disease never did sound quite right to me …it sounds like a trick to get insurance companies to pay for treatment (LOL). Whatever it should be called, for me it’s all about saying to heck with it about life’s issues (that’s called escaping rather than addressing issues) and self-medicating when I felt depressed or hurt about something or felt anxiety and couldn’t sleep. What I didn’t know, was that as my drinking increased over time, that the alcohol itself increased these issues …the depression, anxiety, irritability, etcetera …a vicious cycle that never seemed wrong to treat with just a couple of drinks (usually in the evening, usually grew to 3 or 4, sometimes 5 ‘good ones’ every single day for years and years). It took having my wife move out to finally ‘get punched in the face’ hard enough to realize and admit my problem. People in my family have often been drunks and usually all lived to their late 80s, and even over 100 …I always figured that evening drinks were “no harm, no foul’ …but I didn’t understand or realize the vicious cycle that existed in me and how alcohol played such a key role. Some people are slow learners… phil45 3 March, 2011 at 10:22 am - Reply HAHA…firstly i’m a rip roaring alkie and blazing addict to boot and have been clean and sober for over 3 years now…I don’t mind anyone ranting and if there’s one thing i’m used to it’s alcoholics having an opinion whether that be in a pub, an aa meeting or discussing the weather but i’m a stickler for facts and having an informed opinion not just a self promoting diatribe backed up by noise and bitterness with no room for learning or even accepting another persons view…i’m not not saying that’s what you’ve written but alcoholics are excellent at “contempt prior to investigation”..is the alcohol the answer to the disease or is the substance the cause of the disease…it can be looked at as both…a mental obsession combined with a physical compulsion once we’ve had the first drink!! so both need treating…as i said earlier science is moving towards the close link Alcoholism has with OCD/Depression/Bi-polar..now i assume you’d call those diseases..so why the fight against alcoholism as a disease…what do you hope to gain or achieve…a cure..the answer…you’re right and i’m wrong…whatever..the fact is I pick up a drink and I cant put it down again so BLAM…nuts and bolts thats it…so WHY..do i keep picking it up…thats the tricky part..why cant i live life without a drink…how do i live life without a drink and be happy!!…thats the trick…to live a deep happy fulfilling meaningful life without booze….I wont get that by arguing or fighting with evryone i come across thats for sure but all science can do(and it’s the States leading the field in this) is try and treat the complusion..the craving for another drink..then Psychiarty trys to traet the mental anguish..left to our own devices most alkies dry for a period of time will pick up again..sound familiar..the answer is not stopping but staying stopped..so yes I do accept the AMA interpretation as Alcoholism as a disease and I’m a lot more comfortable in myself knowing that it wasn’t just a willpower thing…the second i stopped fighting..i stopped drinking! pebles 12 May, 2011 at 3:00 pm - Reply hi guys thanks its been good me reading your comments its my first time on here and i have learned a lot about me when iam stronger i will tell u my story thanks again wish me luck in kicking the shit todd 6 January, 2012 at 6:08 pm - Reply hi everyone im 35 and have been a alcholic for about 10 years..its destroying everything in my life..i lost my first wife annd just recently my present wife..im scared and dont want too drink anymore..i drink about a 12 pack of beer a day.. phil45 2 March, 2011 at 8:41 am - Reply So I assume you haven’t read the description then Sean Ice Cool 2 March, 2011 at 11:36 pm - Reply Yes i did read all that trollop and there is nothing on there that is or has not been covered by this web site or by the people on here them selves. But i do like this bit because i had forgot about this bloke and he must have ran some fantastic tests back in those old days when booze was real booze. The Scottish physician Thomas Trotter (1760“1832), was the first to characterize excessive drinking as a disease, or medical condition. Now come on Mr Trotter was you trying to cover your rear end. I mean what one is it. In fact if you have ever read any of Mr Tobin’s blogs from way back i would almost say they have rearranged some of his words and may be some of a lot of alcoholics blogs to. Aha aha aha ah Some physicians, scientists and others have rejected the disease theory of alcoholism on logical, empirical and other grounds. Hay i am not alone in my thinking and i am just a old brain damaged disease ridden alcoholic and not some pasty face scientist with a masters degree. Phil over the last couple or so years on brighteye forums we have covered many things and if i am honest i really do not see any thing massively different on that page regards to what Tobin and us the drunks our selves have not spoke about on here. Whats your Prognosis on your self as a alcoholic. I take it you are one Phil. I could be getting the wrong end of the stick here phil but i all ways have so nothing new there lol Sean Ice Cool 2 March, 2011 at 1:24 am - Reply Have you ever met a American thats not completely nuts in the head. There knowledge is only there opinion but they fire the big word medical in there just to stump you with there profound knoledge. There are plenty of uk doctors that would disagree with them. Do you think all you alcoholics had the disease before you ever drank. Was the disease there the moment you was born into this world. Here example Liver disease, brain disease, disease of the pancreas, heart disease, peripheral artery disease, Alzheimer’s disease, Kwashiorkor disease, deficiency disease, beriberi disease, Now i could sit here and put down a good 500 more diseases that alcohol can give you when YOU abuse it. So is it little wounder the easy way out for them is to label you the alcoholic a disease. The moderate drinker he gets of lightly because they don’t label him with the same disease. No he gets a big star beside his name because as we all no alcohol is good for you when you don’t abuse it. I treat animals with some conditions with 100 percent pure Alcohol with about a 98 percent success rate so its not all bad. It has its place in the medical world. Would you say you are psychologically dependent on alcohol and now have a substance related disorder that has now become a physical dependence. Umm so were does that leave us oh yes alcohol can cause disease but also cure disease so maybe thats why they like the name disease. But i think i will stick with the way i was dependent on the booze. I became psychologically dependent on alcohol and then went on until it progressed to a substance related disorder that then become a physical dependence. But my knowledge of my self is only my opinion of my self. If you would like to label your self with some other persons half witted words and call your self a disease well go to it. phil45 15 February, 2011 at 4:25 pm - Reply Sean..if it’s just the Alcohol thats the problem then just stop drinking end of problem…the “disease” is the baffling bit…why oh why do we keep going back IF we know it’s giving us a kicking everytime we do…It is now being looked at with it’s close links to OCD which would make sense with the complusive,obsessive behaviour of the Alkie….It’s the fact that we cant live life without a drink thats the problem..the booze is in the bottle!!…One analogy i like is if you have a brandy fruit cake and you take the brandy out…you’ve still got a fruit cake…thats the bit that needs treating!!! georgie 15 February, 2011 at 2:31 am - Reply wtg phil45 14 February, 2011 at 2:44 pm - Reply Check out the American Medical Association definition of Alcoholism as a disease and come back to me. Sean Ice Cool 10 February, 2011 at 10:26 pm - Reply Disease, Alcohol, Alcoholics, They have a disease, Since when may i ask did a alcoholic get a profesional label as some one with a disease. Its not a disease iits your own doing m8. Just like fat people stuff cream buns in there mouth you all like i did stuff bottles to your lips or beer glasses full of booze. Its not a disease. A label like that is so untrue. You could use the word Habbit or a habbit thats got out of hand and has now got a grip on you to the point were your body is now reliant on it as is your mind because the alcohol has now trained it to be that way, But thats not a disease. Alcohol is not a disease but the affects of it can disease parts of your body, Some treatable some not so treatable. A smoker does not have a disease he has a habbit then he has a disease maybe of the lung. He chose to put that smoke in his mouth and he chooses to risk that disease of the lungs. A alcoholic is no different you as i chose to continue forsing that crap in to your belly as i did mine that the habbit you now have or did have can and will most proberly kill you from liver disease and about 10 others that all come into the disease bracket. Please dont just read a web page and start going blar blar blar because you may as well just lift your leg and guff on every one. May i ask do you no of any alcoholic that is just a alcoholic with no other probloms or had other probloms because if you say yes to that then your slightly mad. I dont think Jesus would like it to much if some one told him he turned water into a Disease do you. Kek33 3 February, 2011 at 12:29 pm - Reply Hi, I am new to this site but am hoping it will help me to stop drinking. I drink 2/3 times a week normally 3/4 glasses of wine each time. I just want to stop so am going to try from today phil45 4 February, 2011 at 4:31 pm - Reply Hi Kek33 the first step to stopping is knowing you’ve got a problem…then honesty..rigourous honesty…i couldn’t get honest and ended up in rehab..everytime i went to the docs i lied about how much i was drinking..i would do anything to proctect it.even though i knew it was killing me…getting honest was crucial because it allowed people to help me..then i was on my way to not just stopping but staying stopped…living without a drink…i’m 3 years sober and attend aa but a good piece of advice was just dont drink for today…then tomorrow try again..to be repeated….and keep sharing…let us know how you’re getting on…there’re alot of us all in the same boat…you’re not alone. georgie 6 February, 2011 at 3:38 am - Reply Yes Phil and For me it was so important that I made the choice for me. not for anyone else or anything else, also to admit that it was a disease instead of a moral issue. good to hear from you with the encouraging experience you have georgie 6 February, 2011 at 3:42 am - Reply that is probably the hardest and best decision that we as alcoholics make.. what a beautiful relief when we finally admit that alcohol has defeated us.. Remember, it dosent mater how much or how often we drink it is howw we feel before and after a drunk that determines weather we have a problem or not.. We do not have to ride the garbage truck all the way to the dump…………….. Take care Charles Somer 17 January, 2011 at 6:26 pm - Reply How did it go Scott?. I can relate to the waking up sober and feeling brilliant, however, I also know how bad it is to wake up with a hangover and hate myself. I do hope it went well, personally I would have avoided such a night-out knowing the temptations. Stay well, C phil45 18 January, 2011 at 4:20 pm - Reply Scott you dont have to torture yourself mate..i hope it went ok but if it didn’t it’s not a crime..spit it out and move on. Scott 12 January, 2011 at 8:58 pm - Reply Hello, I’m going out tomorrow night in Manchester with work and I really want to stay sober. I know my colleagues are expecting a big performance from me, so peer pressure will be a huge factor & am worried in advance as I know I am one drink away from disaster. This usually leads to 2 days of not being able to talk to anyone & anxiety. I’m not cancelling just gonna have to battle through it but I know if I wake up sober how good I’ll feel georgie 28 January, 2011 at 4:46 am - Reply hi there Scott , I hope that you are ok. I really could understand your concern for you outing. Ive been sober a few years but could still relate to that fear you were describing. Whatever happened if you couldnt do what you wanted to this time does not mean you have too stay out there beating yourself up. One Day at a TIMe.. I really found that AA meetings helped me. and still do. If you accomplished what you wanted to good for you. There is alot of healthy suggestions coming from people on here. It dosent matter with this disease how long it has been since I had my last drink. I need to be connected to people who understand what it is like to be an alcoholic.. Like someone earlier said it is not a moral issue it is a disease. I wish everyone a great day phil45 16 December, 2010 at 10:08 am - Reply New to this website and it’s very interesting..been clean and sober for nearly three years using AA/NA/CA…I have no qualms saying I cant do this on my own..It was that pride and fear of asking for help(i’m so weak) that kept me out there drinking for so long…when i found out that in the States it is actually recognized as a disease and not a moral issue i accepted that i was just a sick bunny not a bad person..there’s alot of krap in AA but alot of really good people who’ve got long term sobriety and good solid friendly advice..I take what i need and leave the rest…works for me..good luck b 20 November, 2010 at 11:30 am - Reply I have been clean for 100 days, I dont hang out for a drink,Its just that Im so loanly. This loanliness is making me sad, All my old friends are avoiding me, and I am real loanly but I also dont go out of my way to see people. I keep finding myself staring off into space. I saw a book saying that maltrexone (spelling) can help take away cravings, I just wished I hadnt told everyone I was giving up, cause now they all on my back, and I want to try to learn how to have one beer and stop, once a week, I just cant accept that it cant be done. I have never really tried it, and I wont till Ive been clean for a year, but I think I do need to try that. If it dosnt work, Ill just quit again. regauless of what Im told, I need to find out for myself. Sean 21 November, 2010 at 2:50 am - Reply B Let me just say well done to you. A lot of people do not make it past one day b so pat your self on the back thats if you have arms of course lol I no not funny but don’t hit me will you lol Loanly orrrrrrrrr god i hate that word………I use to be just the same and maybe still am but that feelings not so bad now or i have forgot wat its like one of the two i am not shore my self. I cant spell b and i shore as hell did not no that word maltrexone ever was in the English dictionary lol Are you shore its not a sex drug lol. How to have safe sex just don’t spell it out hahahahaha i am so sad sorry. Will you ever go back to being able to drink 2 or 3 pints on a Saturday night. Well only you no that Answer but yes it is possible very possible and yes i do it my self and yes i was a full bang on 18 hour a day drinker and some times 48 lol A year yes that’s a good to try to keep to that because you will maybe feel very different about going for a drink by then. B come on there is more to bloody life than just drinking you no that your self but you have to learn to truly hate the stuff almost like how kids hate cabbage. But i cant tell you how to do that b Hay why not go on a coach trip there are loads out there. Some are for singles some are for shy people oh god b the list is endless. Hell even if you don’t go or want to go on one have a look. B when your sober the world is your oyster you can do wat the hell you want. Just Like the first step you take to stopping drink the same can be said for buying a train ticket only in the opposite way. I kind of like my own company now you get use to it after a while but don’t get used to it if you don’t want it or you risk becoming a i dont want it hermit. To be lonely can and is for many truley horrible more so when you don’t want it. The saying there is more fish in the see. Well i all ways say …..Oh ye well jump out the water and bloody well bite me. You have to get out there and catch the fish that wants to bite you some times. Hay you can have a weekend in Spain for 100 pounds now. Some were i would love to go and they say the fish is just great lol Be good keep loving your self your a star you just dont no it. Errrrr put my spelling right for me b will ya lol b 20 November, 2010 at 11:21 am - Reply thanks for all your posts, I dont feel so alone tonight after reading them Allie 15 November, 2010 at 12:52 pm - Reply Hi All, I’m new to this site. Just found it yesterday. I need help. I started drinking out of boredom and depression and 2 years have gone by and I’ve lost my relationship. Hope we can all offer kindness and support to one another. peace and hope to all. A gregory 8 November, 2010 at 9:00 pm - Reply i stopped drinking three months ago. that was my target now i think i will stretch it out until christmas . this is the longest period i have been alcohol free for over twenty years if i had known it was so easy i would have stopped years ago. but you have to really put your mind to it there is nothing to be scared of there were no withdrawal symptoms. it has improved my life. i can handle challenges better. i used to drink whatever my budget allowed. be it cheap cans of lager or the strongest gin my favourite. i compared it to stopping smoking which i did seven years ago . the easy bit is stopping the biggest challenge is keeping on top of it . the only thing that bothers me is that although my stomach has deflated a bit i have not lost a single pound .there is no such thing as a drinking problem we have fooled ourselves into thinking that alcohol is a solution to our problems admit that this is a myth and you have a head start. best of luck out there. Sean 28 October, 2010 at 1:27 am - Reply Ali oh by the way hi m8. Here Ali you no were you say you can go to about 8 o’clock at night with out a drink well is it because at that part of the night your full of anxiety because that’s the most common thing and its mainly from the drink but not all ways. Or well it could be a bit of boredom as in loneliness and so on because many drinkers do drink because of it. Now i am not saying that’s you because you will have your own reason as to why you drink and as to why you can hold out until around 8 o’clock. Let me kind of tell you how i used to work with drink and if any of it rings true with your self then do post back and fill in the gaps for me. …. I use to kind of chance my own drinking as in this was when i got by the 24/7 drinking. I would kind of hold out ride a bit of the flutters the palps and the spare person sitting on your chest feeling and some times hyper ventilation panic attacks along with other things like irritable nerves anger depression and so on you no all the common things of booze. I would go maybe 2 hours at most at the start then that led to say 2 and a half and so on until i was at say the 6 o’clock bracket then i would go for a pint or 8 you no. I then got in to that pattern for oh i don’t no maybe a year or so then i got a bit sharper and wanted more out of well life i suppose. That 6 o’clock went to maybe 8 or 9 then to 10 o’clock and i did the 10 o’clock one for many many years but the trouble was i was still banging down a days worth of drink in about an hour and a half then it was back home and straight to sleep because sleep with out booze to me was like ice cream with out a flake. Now the big problem is you can start as like i did to not drink until 8 or 10 then you make it later 12 and before you no it you will be taking your first drink back when you first had your first drink when you was drinking hard at say 5 or 6 in the morning like i did a 1000 times over. So forget about drink. Booze wat ever you want to call it put it right to the side for a moment. To have any chance of stopping or getting some sort of control of your drinking you must try hard to address why you drink. Now please forget about drink and concentrate on that one tiny part why do i drink. Now i say tiny but in fact it can be massive or it can at least seem like it. You no the snow ball became the snowman but it was only a snow ball to begin with. So as i say you must do your best to find out wat in gods name makes you drink and then you work on that not the drink you work on the first problem because the drink will become a back seat. You may even go on to just being a sociable drinker that enjoys a pint at the weekend. I can now but don’t get me wrong i still have problems but there manageable. Some are from long term abuse of booze and there manageable and then you get the home life ones lol that are a pain. Oh and i must say this and it goes well against the grain. When you do stop and i mean stop do try not to read up to much on booze as in maybe this site or any site like it because the word drink or booze wat ever you want to call it will just be like a sweet that you can see and taste but cant eat. By all means use that support when you knead it most but at the same time do try to swing it until you have your own support as you then support your self. But to be fair it kind of depends on wat type of person you are. Some have to have some form of support for the rest of there life. Any way you can hit that part when it comes. You can say any thing you want on here Andrew and get as deep as you like because there is no face behind the post. ANDREW 22 October, 2010 at 10:52 pm - Reply I HAVE BEEN GOING TO AA NOW JUST SHORT OF TWO YEARS. SINCE I HAVE BEEN GOING IT HAS FREED ME FROM THE NEED TO TAKE ANY ALCOHOL IN AN SHAPE OR FORM, FOR TODAY. AA IS THE MEETING OF LIKE MINDED PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD , WHO DO NOT WISH TO TAKE A DRINK TODAY, BY ATTENDING MEETING ON A REGULAR BASICS .IT KEEPS ME SOBER, THAT IS ALL I ASK OF THE FELLOWSHIP, AS HUMANS WE OVER COMPLICATE OUR LIVES , THE FIRST RULE OF ANY ENGINEERING IS KEEP IT SIMPLE, WHICH APPLIES IN AA IF THIS SMALL BUT POWERFUL MESSAGE SAVES ONE LIFE TO ALCOHOL, I HAVE SPENT , THE MOST FANTASTIC FIVE MINUTES OF MY LIFE, THANKYOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. ANDREW Cat 26 October, 2010 at 10:10 pm - Reply Hi Andrew – thank you very much for your post. When i got out of treatment i needed to attand AA meetings on a very regular basis so as to keep me from becoming complacent. I found that touching base with people going through the exact same thing as me really felt comforting as i knew i am not alone in this. Also, just being able to talk about my drinking problem openly and honestly with others helps alot. And no, we are definitely not freaks, we are normal people just like others, except we use alcohol as crutches unfortunately. I do not attend meetings anymore (going on 7 months sober), but at least i do know that if i feel wobbly there is a meeting around every corner where i can seek comfort and support if i need to. Thanks again. Cat 17 October, 2010 at 6:15 pm - Reply Hi Ali, have you seen the forum on this site: “how to stop drinking alcohol”? Have a look at all the very informative posts and loads of support there. Good luck xx Ali 16 October, 2010 at 11:13 am - Reply oh hell, drank again last night. Keep promising myself i wont then at 8pm i need to. how the hell do i make it stop? its effecting my health now. bad pain in liver area. ANDREW 22 October, 2010 at 11:26 pm - Reply HI ALI. YOU WERE BORN WITH THE TASTE FOR ALCOHOL IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT, IT IS THE WAY YOUR BRAIN RECEIVES ALCOHOL , IT IS A ILLNESS NOT A DISGRACE . GET YOUR SELF TO AA AND DO NOT PREJUDGE , KEEP A OPEN MIND AND HEART AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. IF YOU WISH CALL THE HELP LINE AND TALK TO A ALCOHOLIC AND SHARE A LITTLE OF YOU LIFE WITH HIM , IF YOU WISH HE WILL COLLECT YOU AN TAKE YOU TO A MEETING . YOUR NEW LIFE IS ONLY ONE PHONE CALL AWAY HERE IS THE NUMBER FOR AA 01612366569 Sean 28 October, 2010 at 12:04 am - Reply HI ALI. YOU WERE BORN WITH THE TASTE FOR ALCOHOL IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT, IT IS THE WAY YOUR BRAIN RECEIVES ALCOHOL. Oh my god i just fell of my chair when i read that. Oh please let me high light this part YOU WERE BORN WITH THE TASTE FOR ALCOHOL. Never in my life have i ever heard a more stupid comment since Bambi wanted to be a film star. Its hahahaha man this is to much fun. Oh sean get it back. Ok Ali if i was to ask you did your mum eat a vindaloo curry when she was pregnant and you told me yes well can you tell me when you was born could you taste hot curry sauce….Also wat taste was it a vodka one or brandy or lager or beer…..Oh and i agree with Mr CAPPS ANDREW about the Engineering as in keep it simple…One Glass one bottle one mouth the drinkers guide to simple Engineering hahahahahahahaa Cat 12 October, 2010 at 10:43 pm - Reply Hi Helsbels – sorry for the above, im afraid to post anything again as Sean just keeps attacking. But apologies for this and i hope you can please forgive us. Thank you. xx helsbels 12 October, 2010 at 4:00 pm - Reply please stop fightin. I am searchin the internet for some help to sort out my life. well done to both of you. you have given me hope. stop arguing and just chill out. it is a complete turn off for people such as me who have not yet got there and are just trying to seek help to read this. x Sean 27 October, 2010 at 11:44 pm - Reply Then remove your nose from the argument then m8 Barrie 13 November, 2011 at 10:27 am - Reply Sean .you really need to relax. it is great that i found this post about what happens in an AA meeting and very disappointing to read little about what happens there but a lot of ramblings from a seemingly bitter ,very judgmental person that doesn’t like anyone to have an opinion he disagrees with but quite happily gives us his own opinion and happily” lays the boot in ” where he sees fit. I don’t agree with Cat original post but whatever works for her is good and glad to see her opinion. Any chance of getting back to topic so the post page has any relevance to anyone that may want it. So come on Sean now ,stay off topic and let it rip to me.From reading your posts,you are the best at it. Barrie 13 November, 2011 at 10:31 am - Reply Sean you have given me no inspiring hope of being sober and not extremely Bitter.Good on you M8 . Sean 10 October, 2010 at 12:12 am - Reply People never comment when the truth hits home Cat 30 September, 2010 at 8:57 am - Reply No problem Rebecca (wastn’t meant to cause a fight). Have a great day further xx Rebecca 30 September, 2010 at 3:17 am - Reply Cat, I didn’t mean any harm, I’ve never tried AA, so I can’t say….I just know people that have been. Anyway, sorry…I really mean no harm. Sean 29 September, 2010 at 1:13 am - Reply Cat do not judge a person by wat they say…So i might give you a chance here to say sorry for the stupid post you put up…..Am i judgemental yes i am and i am very bloody good at it to. By NOT going there you are being weak….This was said to Jena by you because she would not go to the AA because her dad goes there….Now we see this part from you..Actually i am not an avid AA supporter…Well if your not then why the hell tell that poor woman she is WEEK for not going you hypocrite…..And you assume that Me and Rebecca have never been to the AA. Well you assumed wrong. God i bet that hearts. The AA is for a different style of person and you are clearly one of them. Now cat there is a hole page here just for you. Now forget wat i have said forget wat rebbeca has said. This bit is just for you to get your gold star. Now we have a page and it needs filling so as you no so much about the AA and all the good it has done for you then maybe you could fill this page with all it has done for you yes thats you. Do not cut and paste from web sites or rearrange the words tell it like it happened how the AA got you back on your feet how they got you of alcohol how they became your crutch your home help. How you could ring them at 24/7 and they would be there for you. Tell us how you found the people there as in the alcoholics you no the ones from all different walks of life. Tell us how you found the staff there. Very helpfull i bet. Now Tobin will not mind how big your post is as well this page is about the AA and it needs filling so who better to do it than a bright spark like you. Oh sorry i am being judgemental there. You cant be that bright or you would never have became a alcoholic in the first place now would you. How week you was there Ah. Oh no worry’s I was a bit week in that department to. So come on the stage has been cleared for your big peachy speech. Hay tell me why i am week for not going to the AA any more. And before you get judgemental your self let me just remind you that i am a sober alcoholic that did it off my own back along with the support of the people on this site…Ohhh Bully for me ahh..Oh i can hardly contain my excitement. I really am looking forward to reading about the AA from a first hand experienced un judgemental person that assumes people are all week for not going to the AA. Let me tell you i learned more about the affects of alcohol on my self from my own mother than i did from those muck spreaders at the AA. Oh i cant weight my knees are knocking with excitement. Cat 28 September, 2010 at 10:22 pm - Reply and HAHA i’m almost 6 months clean withOUT the help of AA, so sorry Sean, pass judgement somewhere else…. Sean 30 September, 2010 at 7:36 pm - Reply So why are you telling her that she is week for not going to the AA when she is trying to do it her self like you have. Thats such a stupid comment to make to some one when they are doing the same as you are. Now if you had said i think we are both a little bit week for not going to the AA and trying there support along with online support. Oh online Support insistently the AA and also your family GP never use to advise on mainly because they were so behind the times but now they can make a shilling out of it there up for it. Well you might have got away with that. I suppose you could say that your still a little bit week because you still need the support of this site. If your not week and you do not need the support of this site and you are only coming on here to look at other peoples posts then you still have an active problem trying to stay sober. So that’s saying to me i have stopped drinking and am sober but i am still a little bit week and still need ongoing online support. Cat 2 October, 2010 at 11:23 pm - Reply SEAN: I went for proper treatment (councellors, doctors, nurses, psychiatrists). In treatment, one must attend AA or NA meetings. Thus i have been to AA. Now i am in recovery and i’m coping fine without further AA because i chose not to attend anymore. I said she is weak because there is nothing wrong with going to AA or wherever else, being in or wanting to be in recovery is not an embarrassment!!! – so Jenna i apologise if i misunderstood you. I am on this site because i would like to offer my support to others in early days of recovery wherever i can. And don’t bother writing another rambling essay lashing out at me. Cat 2 October, 2010 at 11:26 pm - Reply I did NOT do it by myself Sean, it was impossible for me. I went for inpatient rehabilitation if you MUST know. Stop jumping to conclusions. Cat 2 October, 2010 at 11:30 pm - Reply Lastly Sean – becareful what you say – leave my “family GP being behind the times or wanting to make money” out of this. You, Sean, have no idea what i went through, to be alive at this point in my life…. Sean 3 October, 2010 at 10:51 am - Reply Well well well it seems you misunderstood wat i said about the word GP and took it as a personal attack on your own GP. Good looking is he. Again you have took wat i said out of context. I suppose 20 years of me being an alcoholic and sexual abuse topped of with an eating disorder was a peace of piss for me to pack the drink in. The billy smarts circus of councillors i have been to them all poor old me lets drink a scotch on the rocks to poor old me. Can you see the moral in that. Let me Help. Your not the bloody only one that’s had it hard some have had it harder. Now lets see if we can read that with out taking it all out of context. Cat 28 September, 2010 at 10:19 pm - Reply Wow you guy get really offended. Actually i am not an avid AA supporter. And no, i was not having a weak night or trying to kick anyone down (sorry Jenna). But sometimes “hiding” is not going to work. I needed a big kick up the bum to actually deal with my problem. Yes this site is brilliant, totally agree with that. But then in the same breath Rebecca, don’t say things about the AA if you don’t even go there…….. Just like this site works for some people, the AA works for others….Sean, you are clearly a very judgemental person – i will post you my video of how i DONT run around town with a placard….. Sean 26 September, 2010 at 1:19 am - Reply Oh i think she was just having a weak night and was looking at this page for SUPPORT. Rebecca 25 September, 2010 at 8:05 am - Reply I agree with Sean, I don’t think AA is AA at all, it’s not anonymous anymore, you can be more anonymous on here! I don’t think it’s anybody’s business, because everybody talks…it doesn’t matter in what format you get help, it’s just that you get it. And the best is here. I totally disagree…times are changing and AA might be great, but there are other options now, it’s not the 50’s anymore, sorry. A faceless, nameless chat works better for me…by far! And for many others! Cat 24 September, 2010 at 7:46 pm - Reply By NOT going there you are being weak. Weak because you are embarrassed of…what?? Wake up and realise that it is not a reputation parade – it is your life you are playing with. People in AA are the strong ones, you are not….. Sean 25 September, 2010 at 2:28 am - Reply Bull shit Sean 25 September, 2010 at 2:51 am - Reply Cat wat you are doing is basickly kicking the lady when she is down…I could turn wat your saying on its head and say you Cat are the week one because you Cat had to find out side help because you cat was week and could not deal with your addiction with out talking to a horse box full of idiots. If the lady wants to be private about her problem and try to keep her dignity and try to build up the strength to deal with her problem by not going in to that horse box and taking advise from not just this site but any site and it does not have to be a alcohol site it could be a friend around the corner then please allow her to do that with out booing her when her confidence could and may well be very low. She will find her own way to get her problem under control and me and any one on here on the same ship will help her to stop and she will because you see i have confidence in the lady i can not see. I don’t see her as week as you do i see her as a bloody trogen for admitting her problem and doing her best to help her self in the way that she feels best to cope with. You how ever cat if you would like to send the link to the video of you running around your town with a placard stuck on your back and front shouting oh yay oh ya come see the alcoholic its me its me every one gather round and look at me then please do. AA works for you and i am happy for you but don’t you ever call some one week because they choose a different way. And if You think so much of the Bloody AA wat in gods name are you doing on here. Wat are you a sales woman for the AA or some thing. MIDAS 24 February, 2011 at 7:28 pm - Reply AA isn’t for everyone however to say someone is weak by not going is not in the spirit of AA. I tried AA and no longer benefit from it however I can’t say that it hasn’t helped, it has but not right for me at this time… Good luck with your sobriety and try to be a little more positive about peoples efforts and accept that if they are here and posting they are strong enough to face the illness they have. Sean 21 September, 2010 at 1:37 am - Reply Ummm you all jerk each other off then wash your hands and eat Cake. When this is over you all meat up for a pint at the nags head. Or you can go there and learn a lot about your self. Dont knock it until you have tried it and give it time. And no its not like Crop Circles jena milant 24 September, 2010 at 4:27 am - Reply I would never go to an AA meeting in my town. Very small. I would know everybody there. My own Father’s probably there. There is no choice but to handle this by myself. That is why I like this site. I don’t have to be weak in front of the whole town. I don’t care about being weak in front of the planet, just my home town! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH Comments navigation Newer comments Leave A Comment Cancel replyComment Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.